The most probable origin of NASA moon rocks

Michael Petukhov ) wrote:
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: Komrad Mikey, why do you continue on with this outrageous stupidity?
:
: I know your burning hatred for everyone not Russian or who doesn't adhere to
: the Soviet point of view
:
: Hey, my friend, don't bring political agenda to the argument about the
: facts: the Soviet Union never doubted the authenticity of American
: lunar expeditions.

: indeed. although as far as I know USSR also never officialy said these
: lunar expeditions were for real. It was ignored in fact. USSR was
: perhaps the only country in the world where "US moon landings" were
: not broadcasted live on TV.

Pardon me for jumping in...

My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
first moon landing.

So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
did it.

Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
all went back to the Pentagon the next day.

Eric

: Michael

:
: clouds your vision quite a bit, but I *do* find it
: amazing that you can't accept scientific facts - that the United States sent
: not one but three men to the moon, all of whom returned successfully,
: several times. That your nation failed to do so has to be the only reason
: for this continued petulence on your part.
:
: If I were you I'd seek psychological help, but not in your own nation, good
: lord no! Please, seek *reliable* mental health care somewhere in the west.

D.K. ) wrote:
: In article , "usertx" wrote:
:
: "Michael Petukhov" wrote in message
: . com...
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:
: indeed. although as far as I know USSR also never officialy said these
: lunar expeditions were for real. It was ignored in fact. USSR was
: perhaps the only country in the world where "US moon landings" were
: not broadcasted live on TV.
:
: Michael
:
: US moon landings were broadcasting in USSR! You are just too young to
: remember.

: Yep, they were broadcast. I vaguely remember it when I was a kid.

: What I'd like to know is how widely Soviet space achievements
: (Sputnik, Gagarin, Leonov, Tereshkova) were popularized in the USA?


I have a book (Giants in Space -or some such, I'll check later) from 1968
that has equal coverage about American and Russian manned space
achievements.

Eric

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote:


Pardon me for jumping in...

My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
first moon landing.

So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
did it.

Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
all went back to the Pentagon the next day.

Eric

I wish they'd declassify and distribute that.:-/

I wonder how ASCII art looked off a teletype. I know you can do some
pretty...Impressive things with PC ASCII.

John Penta ) wrote:
: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC),
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:


: Pardon me for jumping in...
:
: My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
: And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
: first moon landing.
:
: So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
: did it.
:
: Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
: all went back to the Pentagon the next day.
:
: Eric

: I wish they'd declassify and distribute that.:-/

I'm considering going through DOJ FOIA to see about exactly that. I'd say
from an intel point of view that after 30+ years anything from the hotline
would be cold intel to say the least.

: I wonder how ASCII art looked off a teletype. I know you can do some
: pretty...Impressive things with PC ASCII.

The paper was white and not the canary yellow that I have on my ASR-33.
In fact, the TTYs were the larger console types according to my dad and
not the stand alone ASR/KSR/RO that I used in high school and then
eventually bought while in college to hook to my home computer.
See: http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/swt/

Also, the ink on the white paper was purply-blue. Geez, even a camera
photo of the message would have been nice.

Eric

John Penta wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote:


Pardon me for jumping in...

My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
first moon landing.

So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
did it.

Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
all went back to the Pentagon the next day.

Eric

I wish they'd declassify and distribute that.:-/

I wonder how ASCII art looked off a teletype. I know you can do some
pretty...Impressive things with PC ASCII.

Spin Control: Pravda of Moscow, the Soviet Union, manages to keep the
moonwalk story at the bottom of the page while the top headline says,
"Collectivism is the Feature of the New World People," whatever that
means

did anyone save their copy of Pravda for July 20, 1969?

This is what you get by searching for "July 20, 1969" in Pravda's
files. Remember the Russian saying "There is no Truth (Pravda) in
Pravda and no News (Isvestia) in Izvestia.

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=9994
America's Moon Expedition a Fake? - 05/15/2003 18:05

Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level
of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform
complicated space maneuvers

Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to
get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the
space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a
superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems:
the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the
"decaying" capitalism. The USSR experienced problems of its post-war
period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending
in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any
of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition. Nevertheless, the
USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet
Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant
undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that
time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the
criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.

more

Jack Linthicum ) wrote:
: John Penta wrote in message . ..
: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC),
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:
:
:
: Pardon me for jumping in...
:
: My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
: And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
: first moon landing.
:
: So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
: did it.
:
: Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
: all went back to the Pentagon the next day.
:
: Eric
:
: I wish they'd declassify and distribute that.:-/
:
: I wonder how ASCII art looked off a teletype. I know you can do some
: pretty...Impressive things with PC ASCII.

: Spin Control: Pravda of Moscow, the Soviet Union, manages to keep the
: moonwalk story at the bottom of the page while the top headline says,
: "Collectivism is the Feature of the New World People," whatever that
: means

: did anyone save their copy of Pravda for July 20, 1969?

: This is what you get by searching for "July 20, 1969" in Pravda's
: files. Remember the Russian saying "There is no Truth (Pravda) in
: Pravda and no News (Isvestia) in Izvestia.

: http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=9994
: America's Moon Expedition a Fake? - 05/15/2003 18:05

: Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level
: of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform
: complicated space maneuvers

: Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to

What I find interesting and somewhat off topic but related to JFK, is that
the current accepted belief about JFK's assassination is the same
officially in Russia is the same officially as it is in the US. Namely,
that JFK was killed by a lone nut name Lee Harvey Oswald.

Eric

: get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the
: space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a
: superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems:
: the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the
: "decaying" capitalism. The USSR experienced problems of its post-war
: period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending
: in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any
: of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition. Nevertheless, the
: USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet
: Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant
: undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that
: time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the
: criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.

: more

(Jack Linthicum) wrote in message . com...
John Penta wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC),
(Eric Chomko) wrote:


Pardon me for jumping in...

My father was working at the Pentagon on the Moscow-Washington "Hotline".
And I saw with my own eyes from Russia ASCII art congradulating us for the
first moon landing.

So at least those technicians on duty at the Hotline in Moscow believed we
did it.

Boy I wish I was able to keep one of those hardcopy tranmissions, but it
all went back to the Pentagon the next day.

Eric

I wish they'd declassify and distribute that.:-/

I wonder how ASCII art looked off a teletype. I know you can do some
pretty...Impressive things with PC ASCII.

Spin Control: Pravda of Moscow, the Soviet Union, manages to keep the
moonwalk story at the bottom of the page while the top headline says,
"Collectivism is the Feature of the New World People," whatever that
means

did anyone save their copy of Pravda for July 20, 1969?

This is what you get by searching for "July 20, 1969" in Pravda's
files. Remember the Russian saying "There is no Truth (Pravda) in
Pravda and no News (Isvestia) in Izvestia.

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=9994
America's Moon Expedition a Fake? - 05/15/2003 18:05

Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level
of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform
complicated space maneuvers

Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to
get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the
space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a
superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems:
the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the
"decaying" capitalism.

The USSR experienced problems of its post-war
period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending
in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any
of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition.

Since the USSR *never had* a socialist system, that's obviously
the reason that we are world renown for not only telling
Stalin-Krushev fans, but also telling Jane Fonda and
Paul McCartney fans to not only to go to hell, but do it in China.




Nevertheless, the
USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet
Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant
undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that
time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the
criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.

It does'nt matter that Ruskies sent a sattelite up first,
since the Americans sent GPS up first.
Sattelites are things moron At&T type people invented,
not people with computers and brains.

"Brian Sharrock" wrote in message ...
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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did anyone save their copy of Pravda for July 20, 1969?

This is what you get by searching for "July 20, 1969" in Pravda's
files. Remember the Russian saying "There is no Truth (Pravda) in
Pravda and no News (Isvestia) in Izvestia.

IIRC,
B'pravda nye izvestia, b'ivestia nye pravda ...
In "The Truth" there's no news, in "The News" there's no truth!

You are correct, my bad. But my reading is also true.

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
om...

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did anyone save their copy of Pravda for July 20, 1969?

This is what you get by searching for "July 20, 1969" in Pravda's
files. Remember the Russian saying "There is no Truth (Pravda) in
Pravda and no News (Isvestia) in Izvestia.

IIRC,
B'pravda nye izvestia, b'ivestia nye pravda ...
In "The Truth" there's no news, in "The News" there's no truth!

--

Brian