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On 1 Jan, 17:24, Mxsmanic wrote:
Snapper writes:
At 16 I worked full time for ~$100/week, then spend $60/hr on my precious
one lesson a week ($1 per minute dual!). *By 17 I was earning $160/wk and
spending $120/wk flying. *Went without a car (or girlfriend) till I had my
PPL.

Sounds like quite a bit of sacrifice.

Well, you'd have to give up your peanut butter and jelly sandwiches..

Bertie

On 1 Jan, 17:23, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
In the U.S., less than 1/10 of one percent of the population learns to play
golf, play the guitar, or do needle point.

I don't have figures for those hobbies, although I know that golf is extremely
expensive.

Only you would think a teenage kid getting a summer job is "extreme".

I don't think that. *But a teenager getting a summer job just to pay for
flying lessons is extremely unusual.


No, it isn't, fjukkwit.

Bertie

Dylan Smith writes:

I'm hardly a noble (I'm a postal worker) yet I own shares in two
aircraft (one powered, one glider).

Do you also share your car?

Incidentally, we charge ourselves
GBP 45 per hour for our 160hp O-320 powered Auster.

How much does your car cost per hour?

writes:

There was a study some time ago that showed that during the course of
his/her lifetimes, a college graduate earns an average of a million
dollars more than somebody who skips college.

I've seen studies that show just the opposite, with the cost of many college
degrees not being justified by the potential increase in income. And I've
obtained similar results running the numbers myself.

The cost of a college education
is significantly less than a million dollars, so its the best possible
investment one can make.

A million dollars is a $25,000-a-year difference. The real-world difference
is often much smaller than that. And people also forget that years spent in
college are years spent going into debt, rather than earning money, and that
further deepens the hole.

It's possible to make lots of money as a real-estate agent, and that doesn't
require a college education.

writes:

Living anywhere is cheaper than visiting there dipwad.

Paris is a long way from being the world's most expensive place to live.

Jim Logajan writes:

That claim is incorrect - where did you get it?

Dividing 240,000 (the number of pilots I could recall) by 300 million.

The current number of
active pilots is ~0.2% of the entire U.S. population and if one includes
the number of people who learned to fly but are no longer active, the
number is probably even larger. About 30 years ago the number of active
pilots was ~0.4% of the entire U.S. population.

Wow.

If one does a comparison with the number of licensed automobile drivers (an
arguably better metric than using the entire population) there are about
330 licensed automobile drivers for every certificated aircraft pilots.

Looks like there's room for improvement.

On 31 Dec 2007, 12:49, Andy Hawkins wrote:
Hi,

In article ,
* * * * * *Bertie the wrote:

In any case, they will definitle learn more about aircraft handling than
they would in the UK.

Why do you say that? I would have thought the PPL syllabus in the two
countries would be relatively comparable. What things do they do in the
States that we wouldn't cover here in the UK?

I answered this earleir, andy, but I see it hasn't propogated on every
server due to the attachment I made.
Turns around a point are a good example. They don't do them in the uk,
but every yank here would know them from his private pilot days.
Imagin flying a circle around a point on the ground. About 800 yards
in radius or so. Your job, to maintain a perfect circle around the
reference point. Easy,right? Dial in the wind and away you go. Now add
some wind. Let's say it's from 360. You're obviously going to be blown
downwind so how do you correct? You correct by varying the bank around
the circle. So, the question I'm posing you is this; at which point do
you have the steepest bank? Shallowest? Where's your wingtip
throughout?
You might be able to figure this out, but you'll be in a tiny minority
if you do. It takes a bit of explaining. But i'll leave you with it to
ponder for a bit.
One thing I would bet good money on is that after you've learned how
htis works, if you go to your instructors with this, they'll more than
likely give you the wrong answer as well. After it's been explained to
you you can go out and try it and prove it to yourself.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

There was a study some time ago that showed that during the course of
his/her lifetimes, a college graduate earns an average of a million
dollars more than somebody who skips college.

I've seen studies that show just the opposite, with the cost of many college
degrees not being justified by the potential increase in income. And I've
obtained similar results running the numbers myself.

Is that how you justify your lack of education?

The cost of a college education
is significantly less than a million dollars, so its the best possible
investment one can make.

A million dollars is a $25,000-a-year difference. The real-world difference
is often much smaller than that. And people also forget that years spent in
college are years spent going into debt, rather than earning money, and that
further deepens the hole.

The real-world difference is also often much larger than that. If you had
gone to school you would know what "average" means and that the numbers
include such things as women who stop working after they get their Mrs.

It is 4 years of school for a normal person and 20 to 30 years of full
time work.

Nothing precludes one from working while going to college though it does
reduce the number of hours one can work for about 9 out of 12 months.

There is nothing that requires one to go into debt to go to college.

It's possible to make lots of money as a real-estate agent, and that doesn't
require a college education.

It is probably also possible to make lots of money teaching English if
one is competent.

For the definition of "sour grapes", see "Mxsmanic"; never able to
actually do anything and spends every waking moment attempting to
rationalize his failures.

--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
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Living anywhere is cheaper than visiting there dipwad.

Paris is a long way from being the world's most expensive place to live.

Tottaly correct and tottaly irrelevant to the discussion.

For someone who supposedly teaches English, your comprehension skills
are minimal at best.


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Jim Pennino

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wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

There was a study some time ago that showed that during the course of
his/her lifetimes, a college graduate earns an average of a million
dollars more than somebody who skips college.

I've seen studies that show just the opposite, with the cost of many college
degrees not being justified by the potential increase in income. And I've
obtained similar results running the numbers myself.

Is that how you justify your lack of education?

Hey, give him a little credit. He was the hit of both Longview
Elementary and Powell Junior High. They hit him on a regular basis, in
fact...