Tricky examiners

Sorry old chap, if you mentioned this somewhere in this thread, I missed it.
In that case, you are correct and the examiner is well within his bounds to
ask you if you would do something illegal, and if you agree, you lose.
That's true on this side of the pond as well.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"dVaridel" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote

Sorry Jim, I should have prefaced my post with "In Australia".

"RST Engineering" wrote in
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He said he had pretty well decided to pink me because I couldn't
remember from memory the tetraethyl lead limits in milligrams per
gallon for 80, 100, 100LL, and 115. Like it makes a hell of a lot
of difference.


What? Who the hell knows that?

Um, I do except for 115 (purple gas). 80 (red gas) is 0.5 ml/gallon
(do you like the mixed measurement system), 100 (green gas) is 4
ml/gallon, and 100LL (blue gas) is 2 ml/gallon (from memory, without
looking it up in the regs). I doubt sincerely that I could even FIND
the spec for 115 in any currently printed document, and that's the one
I missed.

Jim




Yeah, but off the top of your head?

(OK, you do maybe )

I'd read the figures andI knew that 100ll is about 4x the lead content of
80, but WTF is the difference? It's not like it's posted on the pumps and
it's critical to flight safety if you don't know.



Bertie

Same here.. but it was a 1979 Ltd......

......same question, had my hand on it (shirt pocket)..

....said to myself.."self, this MAY NOT be a good time to be a smart
ass.."

So I didn't, got a warning..

But the chance to have a great story was lost for the price of a
speeding ticket..

Dave



On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:07:55 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Some Other Guy wrote in
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dVaridel wrote:

One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to
"keep going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced landing
to a paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM ...... test
over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement
in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.
Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do anything
illegal*".

Ine of mine did. i was going too slow to suit him.

He told me I failed, told me i needed more practice. I told him I'd been
driving for years on several continents. He asked me why I was n several
continents and I told him I flew a 737 for a living.
he gave me the licence.
Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.

Hmmm, better not get into those stories!


Bertie
I have a great one.
Got stopped with my wife on I95 one night. I had just had my new
Corvette tuned and was checking it out.
The Police pulled me over and two cops came walking up to the driver's
window. They looked like Abbott and Costello. One was real tall and the
other one was built like a fire plug. The tall one I guess was trying to
be a wise guy with the Vette as I was well over a hundred when I went
through the radar gun. He leaned down and looked in the window and
calmly asked to see my pilot's license.
You can guess what happened next. The fire plug guy broke up laughing,
slapped the tall one on the back and said something about using that one
once too often.
Anyway...I won't tell you what it cost me, but FWIW, if a cop ever asks
to see your pilot's license, for God sake, don't show it to him :-)))

"RST Engineering" wrote in
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Sorry old chap, if you mentioned this somewhere in this thread, I
missed it. In that case, you are correct and the examiner is well
within his bounds to ask you if you would do something illegal, and if
you agree, you lose. That's true on this side of the pond as well.

Actually, the rules could be very different ndeed. No idea what Oz is like,
but I have been involved in certification in a few different countries and
while the general idea is the same, the specific rules can be very
different indeed.
The Brits, for instance, are downright bizarre. Don't even start me on the
Germans, and I had one licence that merely required that my company bribe
the officials. No check ride, no written on the local rules. nothing.

You also had to bribe the waiter in this place to get you your breakfast,
customs and immigration to get in and out of the country, the fueler to
brign you fuel on time and so on.



Bertie

Yes, off the top of my head. I think Ron Natalie can do the same thing.
It's an engineer thingie...we memorize the most obscure crap but can't
remember the anniversary. Even that's hard for me ... we got married in
Oshkosh on the Saturday of the Show. Don't ask me how many years without
letting me look it up.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"RST Engineering" wrote in
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Um, I do except for 115 (purple gas). 80 (red gas) is 0.5 ml/gallon
(do you like the mixed measurement system), 100 (green gas) is 4
ml/gallon, and 100LL (blue gas) is 2 ml/gallon (from memory, without
looking it up in the regs). I doubt sincerely that I could even FIND
the spec for 115 in any currently printed document, and that's the one
I missed.

Jim




Yeah, but off the top of your head?

(OK, you do maybe )

Thank God our country is nothing like this. We call it a tip, not a bribe.

{;-0

Jim


You also had to bribe the waiter in this place to get you your breakfast,
customs and immigration to get in and out of the country, the fueler to
brign you fuel on time and so on.



Bertie

"RST Engineering" wrote in
:

Yes, off the top of my head. I think Ron Natalie can do the same
thing. It's an engineer thingie...we memorize the most obscure crap
but can't remember the anniversary. Even that's hard for me ... we
got married in Oshkosh on the Saturday of the Show. Don't ask me how
many years without letting me look it up.




Yeh, I know the feeling.
Different numbers.


I can recite the lat long of a couple dozen airfields round the world.


Berti

"RST Engineering" wrote in
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Thank God our country is nothing like this. We call it a tip, not a
bribe.




You cant be too sure I wasn't talking about the US!

Well, I wasn't, but it's always dangerous to assume around me.

The bribing was no real problem. jsut rthe way it was, and yu couldn't
blame them. they had nothing. Actually, the ones you tipped had a little
the rest had, quite literally, nothing.

Bertie

RST Engineering wrote:
Yes, off the top of my head. I think Ron Natalie can do the same thing.
It's an engineer thingie...we memorize the most obscure crap but can't
remember the anniversary. Even that's hard for me ... we got married in
Oshkosh on the Saturday of the Show. Don't ask me how many years without
letting me look it up.

Jim

****er you are right. I just asked him and he rattled them off (didn't
get 115 either) and then asked "why". I just wish he'd remember to do
the litter box ;-).

Margy

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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RST Engineering schrieb:
Sorry old chap, if you mentioned this somewhere in this thread, I missed
it. In that case, you are correct and the examiner is well within his
bounds to ask you if you would do something illegal, and if you agree,
you lose.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


even when it saves your life?


Most every nation's set of rules has the catchall that goes something like
(US FAR 91.3) "In the case of an emergency the pilot in command may deviate
from any rule in the book that saves his worthless ass."

Obviously the OP said the examiner said "Lets go down low and look at that"
or words to that effect. Absent an emergency, this paragraph is inoperative
and the operative paragraph is the prohibition about flying below 500AGL in
Oz.

Jim