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Eliminating Trolls (again)
Larry Dighera writes:
Well, adolescent children are programmed to oppose parental constraints in order to establish their independence as adult individuals. It's inevitable; it's (probably) in our genes. We all did it, and future generations will likely continue to challenge authority in an attempt to establish their independence and announce their adulthood. Much to the consternation of more mature adults, its fundamental to the maturation process of transitioning from dependence on parental oversight to becoming an autonomous person. There's nothing fundamentally required or normal about misbehavior, and many people get through adolescence without engaging in it. As I have said before (with the exceptions above), there are only two clear choices responsible Usenet participants are able to exercise: 1. Choosing what they read, and 2. Choosing to post or not. That's it. Simple. And that is sufficient. |
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Why airplanes fly
"Michael Ash" wrote Other examples abound. Just because he is well-spoken and doesn't swear doesn't make him nice. In fact in some ways it makes it worse, because it's all part of a manner which is used to make him look like the victim when he comes along and insults all of these fine people with vastly more knowledge and experience than himself (and more than me). Exactly. His presence here is an insult to all people that have found this forum to be of value to them. Everyone should be wise enough to realize this, and start treating him like "he whose name must not be spoken." Hell, I think I would rather have the "he whose name must not be spoken" back, and MX gone. At least the other one was not playing games with the group. You knew where he stood. In reality. Yep, I'm sure of it. I'll vote for the switch. -- Jim in NC |
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Eliminating Trolls (again)
On 8 Feb, 04:13, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
but when a small-but-determined group of trolls with (seemingly endless) time on their hands takes a hankering to a group, it's obvious that they can destroy it pretty easily. That appears to be their stated agenda: * *http://www.gwu.edu/~trivia/meow.html * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars Interesting history. *Sad to see this sort of thing has happened many time You ****ing moron. you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. If the meow army was involved here you would know it. Would you like me to introduce you? Bertie |
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Eliminating Trolls (again)
On 8 Feb, 16:47, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:13:33 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote in NFQqj.20667$9j6.17497@attbi_s22: Interesting history. *Sad to see this sort of thing has happened many times. Well, adolescent children are programmed to oppose parental constraints in order to establish their independence as adult individuals. *It's inevitable; it's (probably) in our genes. *We all did it, and future generations will likely continue to challenge authority in an attempt to establish their independence and announce their adulthood. *Much to the consternation of more mature adults, its fundamental to the maturation process of transitioning from dependence on parental oversight to becoming an autonomous person. What is disappointing is the breakdown of the traditional method of controlling rogue Usenet nodes that inject into the newsstream inappropriate, off-topic, and articles clearly intended to be disruptive. *In the past, if a downstream node gatewayed abusive content into Usenet, its upstream nodes would cut off its access to the network through their systems until the news administrator of the rogue site got his users back in line. *Today there are at least two reasons that method is breaking down. * First, there are news administrators who actually condone abusive articles thinly guised in the name of free speech. *While I am a firm believer in free speech, I'm at a loss to understand their true motivation. *Any thinking adult accepts the constraints of order on freedom. *If Usenet lacked order and structure, there would only be one newsgroup that contained the sum of all Usenet content. *Clearly that wouldn't be very useful. But more importantly is the immunity granted Common Carriers (such as the phone company) against liability for the content they carry. *If a news administrator can be shown to be censoring content, he is in danger of losing that immunity. *Rather than taking responsibility for the quality of the content emanating from their nodes, these meek news administrators abdicate that responsibility out of fear, laziness and indifference. *They are as much to blame for the decline in the quality of Usenet content as the abusive posters whom they tolerate. So aside from reporting articles that violate the Usenet provider's Acceptable Use Policy to their abuse department, about the only other acceptable course of action to stem the tide of noise is to lobby the news administrator of the abusive node's upstream feed to disconnect the abusive node. *The identity of that site is usually discernable from the article's 'Path:' header field. There is also, what I would characterize as a feeble and largely self-defeating course of action against intentionally disruptive posters: peer pressure. *Publicly admonishing them, while providing the admonisher with a certain amount of satisfaction in venting his frustration, in reality only contributes to reducing the newsgroup's signal to noise ratio. *But worse than that, public admonishment can be a construed as a reward by the abuser, as it validates the abuser's ability to affect the newsgroup's readership, and it opens a line of communication for further off-topic articles. *If one cannot resist responding to abusive articles, he should respond to it via private e-mail, so that the abuser is denied a public forum to spew additional disruptive content. As I have said before (with the exceptions above), there are only two clear choices responsible Usenet participants are able to exercise: * * 1. *Choosing what they read, and * * 2. *Choosing to post or not. * That's it. *Simple. * Nope, it's not anythign like as simple as that. Of course, everything is simple in your world, Lar.. Bertie |
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Eliminating Trolls (again)
On 8 Feb, 20:14, Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes: Well, adolescent children are programmed to oppose parental constraints in order to establish their independence as adult individuals. *It's inevitable; it's (probably) in our genes. *We all did it, and future generations will likely continue to challenge authority in an attempt to establish their independence and announce their adulthood. *Much to the consternation of more mature adults, its fundamental to the maturation process of transitioning from dependence on parental oversight to becoming an autonomous person. There's nothing fundamentally required or normal about misbehavior, and many people get through adolescence without engaging in it. As I have said before (with the exceptions above), there are only two clear choices responsible Usenet participants are able to exercise: * * 1. *Choosing what they read, and * * 2. *Choosing to post or not. * That's it. *Simple. * And that is sufficient. This is my favorite part! When k00ks who can't stand each other form little slurpie alliances.. Bertie |
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Eliminating Trolls (again)
Regardless, there's nothing that can be done to control it other than
withdraw and give up. Not true, Doc. Kill files are your friend. Example: I am certain that The Bunyip has responded to this thread, as flies are attracted to you-know-what. I would bet a thousand bucks on it. You may even be responding to his post. But I'll never see it. It's absolutely wonderful. I highly recommend creating one. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Eliminating Trolls (again)
As I have said before (with the exceptions above), there are only two
clear choices responsible Usenet participants are able to exercise: 1. Choosing what they read, and 2. Choosing to post or not. Thankfully, so long as you're not using Google Groups to access Usenet, Option #1 is enhanced by the judicious creation and use of kill files. With three keystrokes, it is possible to eliminate 70% of the chaff here -- all of it (amazingly) from a single troll. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Why airplanes fly
To take one personal example, he called me a bad pilot because I make poor
landings in a simulator. Tell me that's not an insult. Tell me that's being a gentleman. No, that's not having experience in both worlds, and being stupid. Many real pilots struggle to land our sim, at first. (See it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm ) Our 104" screen makes it much more realistic (and, thus, easier for a real pilot) -- but it's still not the same. (No peripheral vision in the flare is the primary problem for most.) Bottom line: If MX drives you that nuts, create a simple kill file that eliminates his posts from your newsreader. It literally takes three key strokes. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Why airplanes fly
You really still have nice things to say about him, even as the smell
lingers? I prefer to look at MX differently. Almost every Movie Night, we have a mildly retarded young man and his "keeper" show up. (For those who don't know, we show an aviation movie every Tuesday night, at our aviation themed hotel.) The event is open to the public, and free -- and the kid loves airplanes, so he comes. All of the real pilots have made him feel welcome, even though he occasionally blurts out something stupid or inappropriate. They recognize that he's harmless, happens to love aviation, and -- although he's mildly annoying -- we all slap him on the back when he arrives. That's MX. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Why airplanes fly
Trust me on this: Anthony is not mildly retarded. I'd guess his IQ is
in at least the mid 120s (I wouldn't know what side of 127 to bet on, frankly). His problems have to do with failures in different life skills areas, and he gets his kicks cheaply here by annoying people who for the most part have successful lives. Where else can someone with a simulated life annoy so many people with real ones? And of course responses feed his ego. The interesting thing is, others who exhibit the same characteristics who have been my patients really do think of themselves as superior and don't, for the most part, understand why that isn't generally recognized.. 8:53*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote: You really still have nice things to say about him, even as the smell lingers? I prefer to look at MX differently. Almost every Movie Night, we have a mildly retarded young man and his "keeper" show up. * (For those who don't know, we show an aviation movie every Tuesday night, at our aviation themed hotel.) *The event is open to the public, and free -- and the kid loves airplanes, so he comes. All of the real pilots have made him feel welcome, even though he occasionally blurts out something stupid or inappropriate. *They recognize that he's harmless, happens to love aviation, and -- although he's mildly annoying -- we all slap him on the back when he arrives. That's MX. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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