Is Chris Thomas a Real Pilot?

**** the agenda of politics, hidden or otherwise.
For me, leopards don't change their spots over
35 minutes.... or 35 years. What GWB was 35 years
ago, he still is today.


That then leaves us with a choice between a potential shirker of duty
and one who betrayed his buddies and trashed them publicly.

What a choice!







Screw 35 years ago....unless you have a murder conviction to roll out.....

Both guys risked THEIR LIVES 35 years ago...one in combat...one flying old
style jets....and NEITHERs story is squeaky clean.....

You know Bushs history as president for almost 4 years, and before that his
work as gubner of Texas

And then you have what Kerry says he will do and what he has "done" the in the
past 10 to 20" years.....

Decide on THAT and then vote....

geez, whats next ? presidential candidates potty training records?

Blll

"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
My recollection is that Bush went AWOL one other time that people tend
to
forget. While the civilians were dealing with the aftermath of 911,
bush
left Florida hell-bent for leather...not to his post...but westward for
safety under fighter escort...later to claim a "radar lock" made him do
it.
Of course, the VP was still around...or more correctly, underground.

When I become President, remind me not to hire you as part of my
Secret Service.




Bush was taken to SAC Headquarters at Offut AFB, just outside of Omaha.
That
happens to be one of a several full command posts setup for just such a
purpose. It has all of the communications and control systems necessary
to
command any response to an attack. It wasn't that Bush chose to go there,
it
was one of the predetermined locations to be used until the extent of the
threat could be determined.

Only a totally ignorant fool would consider those actions to be something
to
find fault with. So consider the source.


Just for clarity, I was the person responding to Robert's posting who typed
"When
I become President", and I was defending GWB not going back to Washington
DC.
There was a real fear that something like a Learjet was going to try to
collide with AF1,
so they decided:
1. Not to fly back to DC
2. Send out disinformation that AF1 was heading for Wright-Patterson AFB.
3. Send AF1 to Offut AFB.

Damn good work on the Secret Service's part. Full marks.

Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals

The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's
Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most
damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.

A Navy spokesman is calling Kerry's Silver Star citation with Combat V
"incorrect" as it appears on his campaign web site, explaining in an
interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Thomas Lipscomb that the Navy has
never issued a Combat V at any time for the Silver Star.



The Navy is also questioning the listing on Kerry's web site for four bronze
campaign stars for his service in Vietnam. The official naval record credits
Kerry with just two Vietnam campaigns. "That is sufficient for the wearing
of the Vietnam Service Medal for one campaign bearing one campaign star for
the additional campaign - not four," reports Lipscomb in today's New York
Sun.

Kerry's campaign has repeatedly cited the Navy as the ultimate authority on
the candidate's war record, saying they wouldn't have awarded him medals he
didn't deserve.

But with the Navy now publicly challenging Kerry's decorations, that defense
has been rendered inoperative.

Noting that Kerry has refused to authorize the release of his full military
records, the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch called on Kerry this week
to remove any questionable citations from his Web site pending a formal
investigation by the Navy.

"It is to your best interest to have your record in good order," General
Thomas Wilkerson, the president of the U.S. Naval Institute, told Lipscomb.
"If it is wrong, you are accountable. And if you use it to advance your
career, it is even more important."





How convenient. g

Who has seen this proof?
Where can it be seen NOW...
and who has judged the authenticity?

Got any reliable references that I can research?


Barnyard BOb - trust, but verify.

Tammy wrote:

I must have been asleep - does that qualify me to be the Republican
Candidate for President?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oh my....
A blatant attempt to upstage the beloved Ronnie Ray-Gun. g


Barnyard BOb -

John wrote:

According to todays newspaper in Virginia Beach, Va. . . ((I have not
personally researched this!) so don't shoot me).

"The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration for the first time
released the president's logs, which have been the focus of repeated
archival searches and Freedom of Information Act requests dating to the
2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that Bush stopped flying in April
1972 after racking up more than 570 hours of flight time between 1969-1972,
much of it on an F-102 interceptor jet."

I know they just said "much" not how many hours. Like I said I didn't see
the logs myself just the newspaper article.
John

Yes he was a F-102 pilot yes he did serve (and probably got off light
because of his "pull") but he did not trash his fellow pilots and crews
after leaving the service ala Kerry!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Interesting, John.
Consider yourself... NOT shot. g

Thanks.
Barnyard BOb -

How convenient. g

Who has seen this proof?
Where can it be seen NOW...
and who has judged the authenticity?

Got any reliable references that I can research?


Barnyard BOb - trust, but verify.
=====================================

"Cy Galley" wrote:


Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals

The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's
Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most
damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

large snip of unrelated info

I didn't see any info pertinent to GW Bush F-102 flight time.
Your post does not appear helpful in this regard.
Perhaps you misunderstood my request.
Thank you so much for your effort anyway, Cy.

In the name of factualness...
Judicial Watch is requesting a Kerry investigation, not the Navy.
Paybacks are hell????? g

Judicial Watch, Inc. (hereinafter "Judicial Watch") is a nonprofit,
nonpartisan public interest group that investigates and prosecutes
government corruption. Judicial Watch, in the interests of the
American public, hereby files this formal complaint and request for
investigation, determination and final disposition of awards granted
to Lieutenant (junior grade) John Forbes Kerry, U.S. Naval Reserve,

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/navy_challenging_kerry's_medals.htm


Barnyard BOb -

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...

How convenient. g

Who has seen this proof?
Where can it be seen NOW...
and who has judged the authenticity?

Got any reliable references that I can research?


I posted a couple of weeks ago that on Democrats.com
they stated he had "over 300 hours" in an F-102, but
they didn't give a cite. In the last week's releases,
the AP reported "336 hours".

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in641928.shtml

If GWB is concealing nothing....
His logbook(s) or copies are available for public
scrutiny via military and/or personal documents.
Please tell where they may be viewed....
or do we have TWO PHONIES running for President?


We have to candidates who's past military record has nothing to do with
their
current abilities to be President. Way too much time has been expended on
what
they did 35 years ago and too little on what they can and will do for our
country. So far, I have not seen any good reasons to vote for either one,
only
some reasons for possibly voting against both.


Bob Reed
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ONE MORE TIME....
My_ONLY_reason for being here is to dispute the
notion that GWB had the F-102 flying time claimed
in this thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

From what I can glean, GWB completed basic
student flight training and F-102 training over 18 months.
That may be worth a grand total of 120 flight hours.
Dunno fer sure, 'cause my USAF pilot training days
were a decade before GWB.


His logbook has been made public and showed something over 360 hours in the
F-102.

Other than that....
**** the agenda of politics, hidden or otherwise.
For me, leopards don't change their spots over
35 minutes.... or 35 years. What GWB was 35 years
ago, he still is today.

YMMV.


Barnyard BOb -


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

My sentiments exactly, He's still an idiot.

Stan K.

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...
On 09 Sep 2004 12:37:28 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote:


If GWB is concealing nothing....
His logbook(s) or copies are available for public
scrutiny via military and/or personal documents.
Please tell where they may be viewed....
or do we have TWO PHONIES running for President?


We have to candidates who's past military record has nothing to do with
their
current abilities to be President. Way too much time has been expended
on what
they did 35 years ago and too little on what they can and will do for our
country. So far, I have not seen any good reasons to vote for either
one, only
some reasons for possibly voting against both.


Bob Reed
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ONE MORE TIME....
My_ONLY_reason for being here is to dispute the
notion that GWB had the F-102 flying time claimed
in this thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

From what I can glean, GWB completed basic
student flight training and F-102 training over 18 months.
That may be worth a grand total of 120 flight hours.
Dunno fer sure, 'cause my USAF pilot training days
were a decade before GWB.

Other than that....
**** the agenda of politics, hidden or otherwise.
For me, leopards don't change their spots over
35 minutes.... or 35 years. What GWB was 35 years
ago, he still is today.

YMMV.


Barnyard BOb -

Barnyard BOb - wrote:

How convenient. g

Who has seen this proof?
Where can it be seen NOW...
and who has judged the authenticity?

Got any reliable references that I can research?


Barnyard BOb - trust, but verify.

Then you shouldn't trust NBC...

Some of the new documents you mentioned questioning GWB's service (and
detailing all the "special treatment" he got are obvious forgeries...

Think about it... early 1970's, and the boneheads at NBC expect us to
think that a typewriter produced documents that had:

1) Times New Roman font (not yet developed)
2) Propotional font spacing (ditto, other than some very high-end IBM
typewriters - unlikely given the office in question)
3) Superscript font on the "th" following the squadron number. No
typewriter on earth would have done that in the early 1970's.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf

It should be interesting to see how they handle getting caught in this
obvious attempt to affect the opinion of their viewers. It will be
even more interesting to see if the OTHER networks backtrack on any of
their use of the information.

It will be even MORE interesting to find out WHO faked the documents.
Heh.

Mark "trust but verify indeed" Hickey