Airspeed of military planes

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
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Damn, and a 15,000'+ long runway ?

It's not a big deal. Very landable (no hot brakes, not heroic efforts)
with
8,000 ft rwy.

Yeah, I realized that after I typed it. A 210K BUFF even without a drag
chute
would only eat up about 8,000' of runway, however in a 210K BUFF, you're
on
fumes!

I think Bones weigh about 195K without fuel and once they get below around
20K of fuel you have to sweep to 20 degrees to maintain CG. That's why
you'd want to land at the 20K, to keep the wings at 15 degrees. So it's a
215K landing, 6 AoA/186 KIAS. What BTIZ was remembering with his guess of
210 KIAS for a no flap approach was coming back to the pattern relatively
heavy so the pilot and co could beat everyone to death for 1+30. lol You'd
do a no flap ILS on the first approach and kill two birds with one stone on
a check ride.

I've landed with about 13K before, but I'm not trusting the gages any lower
than that. Of course now I'm not even lookin' at any gages, just talking
about them as an old retired fart. :-(

Cheers,

JB

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:02:57 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"N. Funk" wrote in message
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Yes, but the problems occur when us insects splatter on the windshield
of those fast moving "space-ships". Even though it rarely occurs, it is
usually catastrophic for the insects. Remember the incident several
years ago in around Manatee County, Florida when a Cessna and a fighter
collided.


It's usually catastrophic for the "space-ships" as well.


So far, it's been 50/50. The first high-speed low-level military
flight, that collided with a glider, was able to make it safely to its
original destination. Miraculously, the glider safely landed missing
several feet of wing and aileron! If I recall correctly, the NTSB
found the glider pilot to be at fault, despite the see-and-avoid
regulations!

The F-16 involved in the Florida MAC became uncontrollable; its
military pilot safely ejected and walked away. It was reported, that
the Commanding Officer (Gen. Rosa) of the airman responsible for the
military flight (Parker) stated, that the flight leader (Parker) would
receive a verbal reprimand for splattering the ATP rated Cessna pilot
over four acres of golf course.


--

For instance, a pilot who has no fear of a mid-air is an idiot. A
pilot who flies without being constantly aware that he/she is the main
aspect of the mid-air avoidance equation is misguided.
--Dudley Henriques

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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So far, it's been 50/50. The first high-speed low-level military
flight, that collided with a glider, was able to make it safely to its
original destination. Miraculously, the glider safely landed missing
several feet of wing and aileron! If I recall correctly, the NTSB
found the glider pilot to be at fault, despite the see-and-avoid
regulations!

The F-16 involved in the Florida MAC became uncontrollable; its
military pilot safely ejected and walked away.


Those are the only two incidents?

"Jim Baker" wrote...
get down to about 20K lbs of fuel for a no flap landing which gave an
approach/landing speed of 184 KIAS for a 210K lb. airplane.

If I'm figuring this right, that's 225 mph groundspeed at the
elevation of Ellsworth AFB. Holy smoke!

Mark

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:08:47 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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So far, it's been 50/50. The first high-speed low-level military
flight, that collided with a glider, was able to make it safely to its
original destination. Miraculously, the glider safely landed missing
several feet of wing and aileron! If I recall correctly, the NTSB
found the glider pilot to be at fault, despite the see-and-avoid
regulations!

The F-16 involved in the Florida MAC became uncontrollable; its
military pilot safely ejected and walked away.


Those are the only two incidents?


Those two are the only two military v civil MACs of which I am aware.
Granted, the universe of my search has been limited to the USA. I
would welcome information about others that you, or anyone else, may
be able to provide.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Those two are the only two military v civil MACs of which I am aware.


Well, then you're not in a position to declare, "So far, it's been 50/50."

"M. Tettnanger" wrote in message
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"Jim Baker" wrote...
get down to about 20K lbs of fuel for a no flap landing which gave an
approach/landing speed of 184 KIAS for a 210K lb. airplane.

If I'm figuring this right, that's 225 mph groundspeed at the
elevation of Ellsworth AFB. Holy smoke!

Mark

I once saw a B-52D land at Ellsworth AFB in zero feet. The nine crewmembers
survived, the aircraft didn't. Their problem was lack of airspeed.

Tex

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Those two are the only two military v civil MACs of which I am aware.
Granted, the universe of my search has been limited to the USA. I
would welcome information about others that you, or anyone else, may
be able to provide.

From the UK:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...age/dft_avsafe
ty_502737.hcsp
(or http://makeashorterlink.com/?C15155637 )

Paul

"Leadfoot" wrote in
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They operated out of Vandenberg AFB for initial aircrew training in
1969. Quite possible they landed at LAX for training.

My bad, it was actually 1970, November to be more specific.
I'm trying to figure where we went in '68 though.
Obviously not as exciting as Disnayland....

IBM

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(B2431) wrote in
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It's the size of an aircraft. Have you ever seen a C-5 on final?

Yup, lived under the approaches to NAS Moffett Field whilst it was
still an active NAS. Had all sorts of interesting things go by.
There was a C-5 here not long ago and every once in a while
we get to see C-17s and Antonovs.
Used to see a lot of Klinton's AF-1. In fact it was here so often it
had worn ruts in the apron.

The Super Guppies were also deceptive especially further out. All you
see is a white dot slowly getting bigger long before you can see the
wings.

Now there is a beast of an airplane. Only ever seen one of them
though, again at Moffett.

IBM

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