Hawker vs. Glider Midair - with photo!

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DW

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message ...
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wow, good thing the glider guy was wearing a parachute...

What is a glider doing up at an oxygen altitude of 16,000ft? Isn't that
a tad close to the Class A?

Kingfish schrieb:

What is a glider doing up at an oxygen altitude of 16,000ft?

Probably breathing oxygen and enjoying his freedom to fly.

Isn't that a tad close to the Class A?

It's outside of class A.

Stefan

"Kingfish" wrote in message
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What is a glider doing up at an oxygen altitude of 16,000ft?


Probably sucking oxygen.



Isn't that a tad close to the Class A?


So what?

Kingfish wrote:
What is a glider doing up at an oxygen altitude of 16,000ft? Isn't that
a tad close to the Class A?

Flying. What makes you think gliders can't or shouldn't be that high?
We have a word for tad close to the class A, we call it class E airspace
and it ain't reserved for bizjets.

I'll also give you a clue. Gliders can get authorization and do fly
in class A airspace as well.

What we apparently have here (from preliminary data) is a massive
failure of see-and-avoid on the behalf of both parties.

Ron Natalie schrieb:

What we apparently have here (from preliminary data) is a massive
failure of see-and-avoid on the behalf of both parties.

Agreed. But, while no glider pilot I know would insist on his right: The
glider had the right of way.

Stefan

Stefan wrote:
Ron Natalie schrieb:

What we apparently have here (from preliminary data) is a massive
failure of see-and-avoid on the behalf of both parties.

Agreed. But, while no glider pilot I know would insist on his right: The
glider had the right of way.


Who the hell said anything about right of way here. Both aircraft have
a duty to see and avoid. The category preference only applies to
aircraft converging from other than head on (apply directly to the
forehead). I'm sure the NTSB will give study as to what the actual
tracks were and what the visual vantages were from both ships.

Ron Natalie schrieb:

The glider had the right of way.

Who the hell said anything about right of way here.

It was meant to be an indirect answer to Kingfish who asked what a
glider did up there.

Stefan

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:33:09 -0400, Ron Natalie
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The category preference only applies to aircraft converging from
other than head on (apply directly to the forehead).


That's not what it says he

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text... .1.3.10.2.4.7

§ 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations.

(a) Inapplicability. This section does not apply to the operation of
an aircraft on water.

(b) General. When weather conditions permit, regardless of whether an
operation is conducted under instrument flight rules or visual flight
rules, vigilance shall be maintained by each person operating an
aircraft so as to see and avoid other aircraft. When a rule of this
section gives another aircraft the right-of-way, the pilot shall give
way to that aircraft and may not pass over, under, or ahead of it
unless well clear.

(c) In distress. An aircraft in distress has the right-of-way over all
other air traffic.

(d) Converging. When aircraft of the same category are converging at
approximately the same altitude (except head-on, or nearly so), the
aircraft to the other's right has the right-of-way. If the aircraft
are of different categories—

(1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of
aircraft;

(2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, powered parachute,
weight-shift-control aircraft, airplane, or rotorcraft.

(3) An airship has the right-of-way over a powered parachute,
weight-shift-control aircraft, airplane, or rotorcraft.

However, an aircraft towing or refueling other aircraft has the
right-of-way over all other engine-driven aircraft.

(e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other
head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course
to the right.

(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the
right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter
course to the right to pass well clear.

(g) Landing. Aircraft, while on final approach to land or while
landing, have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or
operating on the surface, except that they shall not take advantage of
this rule to force an aircraft off the runway surface which has
already landed and is attempting to make way for an aircraft on final
approach. When two or more aircraft are approaching an airport for the
purpose of landing, the aircraft at the lower altitude has the
right-of-way, but it shall not take advantage of this rule to cut in
front of another which is on final approach to land or to overtake
that aircraft.

[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34294, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt.
91-282, 69 FR 44880, July 27, 2004]
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