B-52 Re-engining?

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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John's just having his fun with you guys you know...an aside
here, WRT John W's post. He's just risen 'another' notch in my
view when he corrected himself wrt the yaw damper providing
assistance in turns. One can't help but admire the integrity it
requires to admit even that slight error when arguing with JT.

Weiss only comes here to be an unsufferable prick. The whole idea is one
cooked up at ALPA and posted on their website. It is a way to blow off
steam from a job, that includes much ass kissing. It is a good thing that
Weiss was able to think and then retract his rediculess assertion.

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

The pilot flying keeps his feet on the rudder
pedals when hand-flying the aircraft.

An unsafe practice, for modern airliners.

Why does Boeing and the FAA advocate such an "unsafe practice," then?

You need to know how to fly the airplane when it is broke. I think
simulator time would be a much better place to play "hand fly the
airplane"
than during revenue.

Well, as usual, your thinking is misguided, at best. Hand flying an
airplane is
a skill that cannot be learned and kept current via a simulator session
every 6
or 12 months.



No, use of the rudder is explicity unsafe.

It's Ex-Lax time! You're so full of crap, it's taken over your brain!
Use
of rudder is absolutely required for crosswind takeoffs and landings, else
the
airplane will run off the side of the runway. Seldom will an airplane
track
absolutely straight down the centerline even with no wind or a direct
headwind -- on crowned runways especially!

Sure, but then you need to leave the rudder alone. There are exceptions
to
using the rudder, but in the general case, a modern airliner breaks when
the
operator panics while using the rudder. (ie A-300 USAir 427)

In the general case, the operator does not panic while using the rudder.
Your
citation is an exception to the general case even if your assessment of
panic
were accurate in the situation.

The point being that a rudder has some tendancy to reverse in turbulance and
I have provided you with two cases of operators panicing, when operating
under those conditions. (as determined by the administrator) It is my
opinion that the rudder outght not to fall off, but the manufacturer's have
countered that the operator ought not to be using the rudder in those
conditions at all.

BTW, I have checked the 747-400 FHB, and turn coordination is indeed a
function
of the yaw damper. I had overlooked that detail, since the spoilers tend
to
assist in that same function.

Impressive Weiss, but a little late after you have been such a prick. The
707 is a much better study in spoiler deployment for YAW cancellation and
probably coser to the B-52H configurtion.

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering"

wrote:The YAW damper also co-ordinates turns and cancels fugoids.

What??? It coordinates turns? Not in my Boeing shop.

Where is your shop Lenoch?

Weiss found what I wrote to be correct, perhaps you could explain the
difference between your running your mouth and his actually looking up the
facts.

Tarver Engineering"

wrote:Where is your shop Lenoch?

Boeing -Renton, of course.......1977 to 1984.(one of them, at least).
Were you there?
What psuedo facts do you know?
If you would get your little prick out of your mouth sometime, you would know
some facts, you little prevert.
You are the one that jams this board with you mouth and your other end running
off all time. I hope you read each word here, because you know its is true.
Why don't you and Weiss hold hands together and just PLONK anyone that doesn't
worship you. You've Plonk'd me before, so do now again.......make it easier on
both of us. After all, what I say doesn't matter to you.......isn't that
right?
VL
PS: Weiss has the wrong facts also. Just check anyone of the avionics
manufacturing shops......start at Cedar Rapids, if that's a clue that will
help.

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering"

wrote:Where is your shop Lenoch?

Boeing -Renton, of course.......1977 to 1984.(one of them, at least).
Were you there?

I am in California, but spent '97 in the Everett shop.

What psuedo facts do you know?

Come on now Lenoch, you are the one posting ignorance.

What did you do in Renton?

If you would get your little prick out of your mouth sometime, you would
know
some facts, you little prevert.

My goodness, are you a latent homosexual as well Lenoch?

You are the one that jams this board with you mouth and your other end
running
off all time. I hope you read each word here, because you know its is
true.

Right now we are discussing an issue for which I am correct and it is you
that has taken leave of his senses, Lenoch.

Why don't you and Weiss hold hands together and just PLONK anyone that
doesn't
worship you.

I don't know about Weiss for sure, but I like the beaver. Like a sweet
sweet oyster .

You've Plonk'd me before, so do now again.......make it easier on
both of us. After all, what I say doesn't matter to you.......isn't that
right?

That is quite a tantrum Lenoch, do you have trouble retaining employment?

VL
PS: Weiss has the wrong facts also. Just check anyone of the avionics
manufacturing shops......start at Cedar Rapids, if that's a clue that will
help.

I am in responsibe charge of engineering for an avionics manufacturer. We
supply aircraft interface to Collins, Honeywell, BAE Systems et al., as well
as every western comercial airframe manufacturer. Now we are begginning an
MI rotary wing project for some of the new NATO members, so we will be in
the East as well. Oops, I forgot, we already have repeaters going on the
new Chinese passenger airplane as well soon.

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" "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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That would be expected, but in newer airliners, the operator is not
really
supposed to even operate the rudder. That idea is of course only
filtering
down to pilots after the A-300 event at Rockaway.

Not so. The rudder is used to coordinate flight in modern airliners as
in
any airplane.

Sorry Darrel, but you are outdated.

Perhaps. But I am currently teaching flight simulator for the Boeing
Company which has produced some airliners. The use of rudders when
handflying aircraft is still taught. Not a lot of rudder. Just what is
necessary.

It just doesn't take nearly as much with a properly
functioning yaw damper.

Rudder is used to deliberately
un-coordinate the aircraft when taking off and landing with a crosswind.

No, use of the rudder is explicity unsafe.

Only if you have "Splaps" extended. Whoops. Using a Tarver term again. (or
was that Splats?)

"Darrell" wrote in message
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" "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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That would be expected, but in newer airliners, the operator is not
really
supposed to even operate the rudder. That idea is of course only
filtering
down to pilots after the A-300 event at Rockaway.

Not so. The rudder is used to coordinate flight in modern airliners
as in
any airplane.

Sorry Darrel, but you are outdated.

Perhaps. But I am currently teaching flight simulator for the Boeing
Company which has produced some airliners. The use of rudders when
handflying aircraft is still taught. Not a lot of rudder. Just what is
necessary.

I say the simulator is where handflying should occur. As you are "teaching
flight simulator" (?) for Boeing, you should be aware of how AA's simulation
sylibus for the A-300 may have contributed to the Rockaway accident.

It just doesn't take nearly as much with a properly
functioning yaw damper.

Rudder is used to deliberately
un-coordinate the aircraft when taking off and landing with a
crosswind.

No, use of the rudder is explicity unsafe.

Only if you have "Splaps" extended. Whoops. Using a Tarver term again.
(or
was that Splats?)

In fact, using spoiler flaps, as opposed to spoilers as speed brakes only,
is the means through which the rudder is reduced in size for both the KC-135
and the B-52H. Current models of civilian two engine aircraft have been
designed away from that notion, due to engine out requirements. Keep in
mind that this is a military group, not bound by CFR14 legalese, Schmidt.

"Tarver Engineering"

wrote:That is quite a tantrum Lenoch, do you have trouble retaining
employment?


Only retaining you.
(I am amazed you replied.)
VL

"MLenoch" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering"

wrote:That is quite a tantrum Lenoch, do you have trouble retaining
employment?


Only retaining you.

So, what did you do in the tire shop at Renton, Lenoch?

(I am amazed you replied.)

I reply to most any kook, for a while anyway.

"Tarver Engineering"

wrote:
So, what did you do in the tire shop at Renton, Lenoch?


Why don't you find out, Mr. Omnipotent.
Or will you answer in the standard "Bwaaa"?
VL