BA 777 crash at Heathrow

What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inplane17.html

Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inplane17.html

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It almost sounds like reverse thrust came on at least one engine.

Steeper than normal glideslope and offset from runway center line.



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Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear
could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inplane17.html

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From: "Ron A."
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: BA 777 crash at Heathrow

It almost sounds like reverse thrust came on at least one engine.

Steeper than normal glideslope and offset from runway center line.

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Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear
could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inplane17.html

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I'm betting on wind shear or microburst...or he was told "land and hold
short" Bob F.

Bob Furtaw schrieb:

I'm betting on wind shear or microburst...or he was told "land and hold
short" Bob F.

Bet accepted. How much?

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0500, "Bob Furtaw"
wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron A."
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: BA 777 crash at Heathrow

It almost sounds like reverse thrust came on at least one engine.

Steeper than normal glideslope and offset from runway center line.

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Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear
could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...inplane17.html

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I'm betting on wind shear or microburst...or he was told "land and hold
short" Bob F.


Bob

If he was told to "land and hold" this could well set up pilot to
reduce A/S to try to comply and getting behind the power curve. With a
excessive rate of descent he could have cobbed the engines and there
was not enough power to overcome the behind the power curve sink at
the altitude he had and he hit short.

I'm sure all remember early airbus bird, that with the Company Pilot
and Airbus Wheels in it, made a slow low altitude pass over, I forget
just what they were having on the ground,and bird got behind the power
curve and sank into the trees and crashed. Red faces all over Airbus.

We really don't have enough data to make a good professional
evaluation of what happened so this just a sanerio of what could have
happened.. Anxious to see what black boxes show.

Pardon any misspelled words. Had out patient laser surgery and will
have a catheter and bag for next thee days (


Big John

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:17:17 -0500, "Bob Furtaw"
wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron A."
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: BA 777 crash at Heathrow

It almost sounds like reverse thrust came on at least one engine.

Steeper than normal glideslope and offset from runway center line.

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Blueskies wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind
shear could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rld/2004130291
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inplane17.html

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I'm betting on wind shear or microburst...or he was told "land and
hold short" Bob F.


Bob

If he was told to "land and hold" this could well set up pilot to
reduce A/S to try to comply and getting behind the power curve.
No, he wouldn't have been told that for a several reasons.
One, th erunway has no intersecting runways (27L) tow, we just don't do
that anymore and three, the airplane would have bitched at him if he
did.

With a
excessive rate of descent he could have cobbed the engines and there
was not enough power to overcome the behind the power curve sink at
the altitude he had and he hit short.

Nah, the modern engines have spool up times the same as pistons.


I'm sure all remember early airbus bird, that with the Company Pilot
and Airbus Wheels in it, made a slow low altitude pass over, I forget
just what they were having on the ground,and bird got behind the power
curve and sank into the trees and crashed. Red faces all over Airbus.


Well, they didn;t so much get behind the power curve as fool the
airplane into thinking it was going to land. When they decided to go
asround, the airplane decided to land. By the time they got it all
sorted out it was too late.


We really don't have enough data to make a good professional
evaluation of what happened so this just a sanerio of what could have
happened.. Anxious to see what black boxes show.


Well, exaclty.

Pardon any misspelled words. Had out patient laser surgery and will
have a catheter and bag for next thee days (


Ouch!

On the plus side I have no excuse for my tpyos!

Bertie

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Big John wrote:

Pardon any misspelled words. Had out patient laser surgery and will
have a catheter and bag for next thee days (

Did it go well?

Hope you have a speedy recovery.

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Big,

I'm sure all remember early airbus bird, that with the Company Pilot
and Airbus Wheels in it, made a slow low altitude pass over, I forget
just what they were having on the ground,and bird got behind the power
curve and sank into the trees and crashed. Red faces all over Airbus.


I'm sure most remember that was not at all what happened. Red faces all
over Air France when their hot shot demo pilot had a "Hey, watch this"
moment.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Jan 19, 9:42 am, Big John wrote:

I'm sure all remember early airbus bird, that with the Company Pilot
and Airbus Wheels in it, made a slow low altitude pass over, I forget
just what they were having on the ground,and bird got behind the power
curve and sank into the trees and crashed. Red faces all over Airbus.


And the pilot Michel Asseline is still in jail, I hear

Ramapriya