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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
"Gezellig" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:33:55 -0700, Tom C wrote: "Scott" wrote in message .. . T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56 wrote: http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676 Screw him (Randy Walker). Experimentals are issued airworthiness certificates from the FAA just as are certified aircraft. If they restrict experimentals from using the "public use" airports, they can (and should) forfeit Ferderal funding. Has a certified airplane ever crashed and killed an innocent on the ground? Nuff said. That is exactly what the developers want. Tom C Tom, is your point that RE developers did not use the proximity to the airport as a selling point? They did not openly disclose it. What they would desire is to close the airport so that land could further be turned into urban blight. |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:55:54 -0700, Tom C wrote:
In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment? This isn't an airpark. This has been an established airport since the 1940's.Up until the big Vegas boom, this county owned facility was surrounded by nothing but desert. Like so many other growing towns (like what has happened in CA and Long Island NY), the soccer moms and urban drones decided that all that flat land around the airport to be prime home sites. The built up all around it including runway ends. Now there are shouts about noise and "danger." These same dangers have been there since the 1940's when the Las Vegas Gunnery School was initiated during the war. This airport never has been an airpark. It has always been an airport designed for heavy training and GA traffic. The land around it should never have been used for homes. If you go to http://www.skyvector.com and type in VGT you will see the last vestiges of open area around the airport. You will also see A-481. This is a designated high performance take off area for KLSV (Nellis AFB). The yellow area under it wasn't there 15 years ago. This is also true for the yellow area around VGT. The city exploded to the north and surrounded the airport. Another good Google search is Las Vegas pig farm. Example: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../12470973.html http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../19622083.html http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/2006...rowth-farm.htm Bottom line greedy developers and people who don't do their homework are now razing a stink. GA is going to pay for it - as usual. Tom C Thx for the reply. |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to?
Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be closed in 2017. They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing further development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants experimentals to go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities, they are allowing cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The legislative language that got them the BLM land for their new airport says that 0L7 will remain open "as long as it is feasibly safe". If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to expansion of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7 airport will be within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so you'll need clearance from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another thing.. the FAF for the approach into IVP will be just about where the downwind is for 20R. Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's place. BT "Tom C" * wrote in message ... "Steve Foley" wrote in message ... "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" wrote in message ... http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because this guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops. VGT is enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then throw in VGT class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances were pushed to McCarran and Henderson, All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house and a certified twin into another. It's going to get ugly. Tom C |
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61B dodging helicopters Only $5 bucks more a month and it's way closer to
home so I make it up in time savings and gas. Plus the best Brew Pub in Clark County is out there so when I put the plane away I can go for cold draft and tasty burger. Tom C "BT" wrote in message ... Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to? Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be closed in 2017. They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing further development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants experimentals to go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities, they are allowing cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The legislative language that got them the BLM land for their new airport says that 0L7 will remain open "as long as it is feasibly safe". If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to expansion of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7 airport will be within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so you'll need clearance from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another thing.. the FAF for the approach into IVP will be just about where the downwind is for 20R. Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's place. BT "Tom C" * wrote in message ... "Steve Foley" wrote in message ... "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" wrote in message ... http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because this guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops. VGT is enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then throw in VGT class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances were pushed to McCarran and Henderson, All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house and a certified twin into another. It's going to get ugly. Tom C |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
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Gezellig wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote: Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment? HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread about it! -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news In article , Gezellig wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote: Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment? HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread about it! That was some thread a while ago. Someone was convinced that living at an airpark was something like a suicide attempt. Data to the contrary was dismissed as obviously wrong because living near a runway was pre-determined to be dangerous. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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roger on 61B and dodging helo's..
which pub would that be?? the A&W? BT "Tom C" * wrote in message ... 61B dodging helicopters Only $5 bucks more a month and it's way closer to home so I make it up in time savings and gas. Plus the best Brew Pub in Clark County is out there so when I put the plane away I can go for cold draft and tasty burger. Tom C "BT" wrote in message ... Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to? Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be closed in 2017. They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing further development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants experimentals to go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities, they are allowing cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The legislative language that got them the BLM land for their new airport says that 0L7 will remain open "as long as it is feasibly safe". If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to expansion of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7 airport will be within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so you'll need clearance from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another thing.. the FAF for the approach into IVP will be just about where the downwind is for 20R. Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's place. BT "Tom C" * wrote in message ... "Steve Foley" wrote in message ... "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" wrote in message ... http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because this guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops. VGT is enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then throw in VGT class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances were pushed to McCarran and Henderson, All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house and a certified twin into another. It's going to get ugly. Tom C |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
"BT" wrote in message ... roger on 61B and dodging helo's.. which pub would that be?? the A&W? Boulder Dam Brewery. Try the IPA and the stout. Heck even the light beer is good. Tom C BT "Tom C" * wrote in message |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
That was some thread a while ago. Someone was convinced that living at an airpark was something like a suicide attempt. Data to the contrary was dismissed as obviously wrong because living near a runway was pre-determined to be dangerous. Damn right they're dangerous. I'm suicidal and want to buy your airpark at a deep discount Help me end it all !!!! PS It's gotta have a nice hangar Cheers: Paul N1431A KPLU |
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Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:16:46 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article , Gezellig wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote: Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax. In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment? HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread about it! What hazards? Get serious, air parks like any other airfield have hazards. |
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