737 off runway, Pearson Toronto

Kev wrote:
So every time a pilot violates the FAR's they must file a report?

I can come up with four different scenarios:

*grin* Actually, here's a fifth:

5) Through no fault of your own, the aircraft develops a serious
problem and you let out a Mayday. ATC clears the sky for you.
However, figuring that you might as well take advantage of your
emergency authority to deviate from the FARS, you break out a case of
beer and down a few to calm your nerves. Now tipsy, you zoom over a
few crowded mall parking lots just to show everyone the smoke trailing
from your engine. You drop your empty bottles on the people below.

Well. You can deviate from the FARs to the extent required by the
emergency, of course. But you can't just break FARs during an
emergency for the heck of it.

Kev
(obviously with too much time on my hands today)

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN"

That and, next, assessing the emergency and taking appropriate action.
That
might mean flying to an airport, right? :-) Seriously, though, I can
think
of a number of scenarios where getting on the ground ASAP is not the
correct
decision. So can you...

I'm not suggesting an off-airport landing. The whole point of getting
down quickly is to get the passenger to an ambulance ASAP. That means
trying to land at an airport big enough to have a hospital nearby.

Well, somebody choking on their vomit might suffocate before you could get
to an airport.

As for assessing, didn't he already say the fellow went lights out for
more than a minute? How much more information do you need to make a
decision? I know I heard enough.

And that's what I did.

moo

On 03 Aug 2005 19:25:01 -0400, (Frank Ch. Eigler)
wrote:


"Kev" writes:

[...] For example, remember Swiss Air 111 that caught fire and then
crashed off Newfoundland before they could land? (Basically because
they followed the book and circled dumping fuel... so as not to be
over landing weight... but the time wasted doing that killed them
all.) [...]

I recall reading, probably in the official accident analysis report,
that this speculation is not actually true. Something like the fire
would have still consumed the cockpit by the time they'd landed, even
right away, over-gross.

- FChE

The UK R/T Manual states the following:

States of Emergency are classified as follows:

Distress: A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminetn
danger and requiring immediate assistance.

Urgency: A condition concerning the safety of an aircraft or other
vehicle, or of some person on board or within sight, but does not
require immediate assistance.

The pilot should make the appropriate emergency call as follows:
Distress: 'Mayday, Mayday, Mayday'
Urgency: 'Pan. Pan, Pan'.

wrote in message news:
The UK R/T Manual states the following:

States of Emergency are classified as follows:

Distress: A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminetn
danger and requiring immediate assistance.

Urgency: A condition concerning the safety of an aircraft or other
vehicle, or of some person on board or within sight, but does not
require immediate assistance.

The pilot should make the appropriate emergency call as follows:
Distress: 'Mayday, Mayday, Mayday'
Urgency: 'Pan. Pan, Pan'.

Whatever. What pilots actually do is of far more interest. This is thin
edge of the wedge stuff. And, by definition, emergency situations may
require that some rules be broken. Only an idiot wants to be part of that
club. But, idiots and geniuses alike experience it and I've yet to see one
who frets over the minutiae of distress call protocol.

moo