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I give up, after many, many years!
Wow, you guys really filter-out Jay?
I can't decide whether to be disappointed...or honored. :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"HARRY POTTER" wrote in message ... I agree with you on Bertie, but not MX. I honestly think MX posts here because he genuinely wants to learn about piloting. All his threads starts on a reasonable tone. Its other people who turn it into a ****fest, which he then responds to. His "trolling", I feel, is mainly caused by his frustration of the fact that people judge his opinions solely on who he is, rather than what he posts. If people treated his opinions like they would anybody else, he'd stop being so blatantly obtuse. It's like punishing a dog when it does something bad, as well as punishing it when it does something good. After a while, the punishment loses all meaning. People here think that by being rude to him everytime he makes a post is going to drive him away, but all it's doing is making him more and more bitter and dismissive of people's criticism. Bertie, on the other hand, reminds me of this kid I knew in middle school whose acting up in class was largely caused by all the other kids in the class' giggling at his antics. As long as people keep namedropping Bertie him in their more serious threads and showing sycophantic feelings towards him, his trolling "personality" will continue to be positively reinforced and it'll never stop. Bertie's trolling is caused by something completely different that what causes MX to troll, so they need to be dealt with differently. You must be new to the group. Give it a little time, you are making the same mistake others have made, many times before. In fact, MX counts on new people to feed his threads. He is totally lost without them. They are the only reason he is still here today. |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message .. You're a liar, and an idiot. |
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I give up, after many, many years!
On May 14, 9:40*am, wrote:
On May 13, 11:50 pm, HARRY POTTER wrote: I agree with you on Bertie, but not MX. I honestly think MX posts here because he genuinely wants to learn about piloting. All his threads starts on a reasonable tone. Its other people who turn it into a ****fest, which he then responds to. His "trolling", I feel, is mainly caused by his frustration of the fact that people judge his opinions solely on who he is, rather than what he posts. If people treated his opinions like they would anybody else, he'd stop being so blatantly obtuse. I have at least hinted that the pilots here might try that, and each time they claimed that I was trolling. * * * You haven't been here long enough. Many times Mx or Le Chaud Lapin will ask a question, get the right answer in a polite manner, and then argue endlessly against that answer, belittling the teacher. What reaction would you expect? I know of two specific examples were the answer was wrong. And also, some of the stock answers are still under debate, like what causes lift, probably one of the most fundamental, theoretical questions a pilot might ask about flying. Also, speaking for myself, I never said I was right. I was simply exploring possibilities. There is nothing wrong with exploration of topics still under debate. * * *Many of the physics and other things in aviation are not intuitive; that is, they don't make sense to the uninitiated, and without well-rounded groundschooling and flight instruction they never will make sense. Flight simulators don't teach these things. Add to that the fact that there are people who are certain that they're much smarter than the average bear and so they have "new" answers to aviation's problems. Those new answers killed a lot of guys a long time ago but they don't know that. To them, "well-rounded groundschooling" is equal to standard party propaganda and therefore false. I agree with Harry. Though I have disagreed with Mx on one point, he has never been rude, condescending, or hostile to me in any way. In fact, I took a look at many of his posts a while back, and the rudeness and hostility were coming from elsewhere. There also seemed to be people who tend to vacillate between being helpful and being hostile, depending on their given mood. Secondly, I do not agree that there are things that necessarily do not make sense to the "uninitiated." A big part of flight dynamics is based upon Newtonian physics, and I do understand Newtonian physics, and I personally know of people who received advanced degrees in aero/astro who do not have a pilot's license. Some of these individuals might know a bit about flight dynamics too. Also, there are some people who are both heavily-experienced pilots who also understand the underlying physics: I was watching television one day about Blue Angels, and the commentator mentioned that "only a very few special pilots get to fly these aircraft, and precisely at that moment, the camera panned to a classroom blackboard for only a few hundred milliseconds, and behold, on the board, was none other than a moderately complex transfer function H(s). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_function I thought..."Hmmm...Transfer functions...impressive...probably talking about instability." Most pilots I would imagine eventually develop an intuitive feel for oscillations caused by instability, but they would not know where the poles of transfer function governing that instability lie. And as far as flying, from what I see, a large part of it is what one knows, and there is a lot that can be learned from a simulator, like VOR practice, which would be far more expensive if learned solely from cockpit at $100/hour than using fixed $50 product from convenience of home. So the question becomes...how much theory can be learned in the absence of actually flying, and how much requires being in the plane (or having a groundschool instructor present while you read the book). I think that quite a bit can be learned [and understood] before ever leaving the ground, far more than what can only be learned by being in the aircraft. -Le Chaud Lapin- |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:zgEWj.163693
$yE1.47269@attbi_s21: Wow, you guys really filter-out Jay? I can't decide whether to be disappointed...or honored. :-) Of course you can't Bertie |
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Maxie is bertie food!
"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
: "HARRY POTTER" wrote in message ... I agree with you on Bertie, but not MX. I honestly think MX posts here because he genuinely wants to learn about piloting. All his threads starts on a reasonable tone. Its other people who turn it into a ****fest, which he then responds to. His "trolling", I feel, is mainly caused by his frustration of the fact that people judge his opinions solely on who he is, rather than what he posts. If people treated his opinions like they would anybody else, he'd stop being so blatantly obtuse. It's like punishing a dog when it does something bad, as well as punishing it when it does something good. After a while, the punishment loses all meaning. People here think that by being rude to him everytime he makes a post is going to drive him away, but all it's doing is making him more and more bitter and dismissive of people's criticism. Bertie, on the other hand, reminds me of this kid I knew in middle school whose acting up in class was largely caused by all the other kids in the class' giggling at his antics. As long as people keep namedropping Bertie him in their more serious threads and showing sycophantic feelings towards him, his trolling "personality" will continue to be positively reinforced and it'll never stop. Bertie's trolling is caused by something completely different that what causes MX to troll, so they need to be dealt with differently. You must be new to the group. Give it a little time, you are making the same mistake others have made, many times before. In fact, MX counts on new people to feed his threads. He is totally lost without them. They are the only reason he is still here today. And you are the only reason I'm still here. Bertie |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote in news:NUDWj.109571$TT4.43765@attbi_s22: You haven't been here long enough. Many times Mx or Le Chaud Lapin will ask a question, get the right answer in a polite manner, and then argue endlessly against that answer, belittling the teacher. I have been here forever, and I have NEVER seen MX belittle anyone. Not once. I've seen him try, but of course, those went over your pointy head. Now, either that's because I don't read every, single thread MX responds to, or it's because my definition of "belittling" differs from yours -- but I have only seen polite responses from him in the face of some VERY demeaning attacks. In this regard, he certainly doesn't fit the M.O. of most trolls. You wouldn't know wat a troll was if it bit you in the nuts. Bertie Yeah, like you could, wanna boi. |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . You;re a legend in your own mind. |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . Whoosh. (Insert lame IKYABWAI lame here, Maxie) Bertie Keep your hollow head out of the wind, or wear ear muffs. |
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I give up, after many, many years!
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:idEWj.163686$yE1.109396@attbi_s21... Damn Jay, I'm really surprised you would take up for that piece of ****. Mx is not your friend, or any one else's. You need to spend more time observing his behavior ALL the time, before you take up his cause. As for the old days, we have always had problems with things like this. Can you say "Liability Stealth". The biggest difference back then was 90% of the players were a smaller, and closed knit group. They more often agreed who to shun, and poke **** at. Today there are so many new players, many who only THINK they know the ropes, and it confuses the mix. EVERYONE needs to be much more careful about who the attack, and who the real problem children really are. |
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