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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:05:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje
wrote: On a sunny day (20 Oct 2006 13:44:08 -0700) it happened "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in s.com: Basically, we couldn't leave Saddam in power in the post 9/11 world - everyone thought he had WMD, Your definiton of 'everyone' must be really funny :-) Not even the CIA! And that is why the White House reveiled a CIA operative's name, no yellow cake from South Africa. White house bloody well knew their were no WMDs. As did everybody else, even the international atomic agency. But _as I pointed out before_ Bushists will believe anything without proof. Photos of fish and chips stands passing as 'mobile labs' ;-) Anyway nothing photoshop and after effects will not create. Next they will convince you the aliens are coming, read his lips. Did you ever notice it was the oil producing countries who jumped on the bandwagon? UK (North Sea oil) Russia (own oil) Netherlands (natural gas coupled to oil price), Saudi Arabia (own oil), and the one that had nuke power for 70% or more did NOT (France). And Germany was not very willing either. It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer. All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US). This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and Russians among the coalition batallions. You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up. I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as hell are conspirwakos on the other side too. Peter Skelton |
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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran
"Peter Skelton" wrote in message ... I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as hell are conspirwakos on the other side too. The fact that we stomped the living **** out of Saddam TWICE is a big factor in keeping other assholes from trying anything and is why Lybia finally quit the kill Americans for fun game. |
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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran
On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:01:47 -0400) it happened Peter Skelton
wrote in : It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer. All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US). This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and Russians among the coalition batallions. You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up. I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as hell are conspirwakos on the other side too. OK, in detail thing are a bit more complicated, but getting $$ is the issue here. It was for the Russians (Putin) a matter of what would bring in mo the higher oil price, or spare parts for the 4000 taxies he sold in Iraq. As for the Norwegians, I think they have pants full of Russian fear, so it is important for them to stay close to the US (same for Poland). The Saudis = the Bush so they were there alright. I think 'politics' is in a big way to 'mend the people' and truth or no truth is largely irrelevant. With strong press control (why do you see no coffins? Fox TV etc..) you can get the voters to vote for anything, even if they know it is bad for them. So you give them a 100$ tax rebate, and have them pay 10$ extra each time they fill up. But voters are not normally presented that math.... I want the 100$ now:-) There is also the issue of US image detoriating all over the world, you are no longer safe. These threats (created by threatening Iran, provoking N Korea, awakening the Islamic fanatics, etc) lead to big business, security systems, arms race, all payed by the taxpayer, and money from the tax payer spend on those things is NOT used on education, welfare, increased wages, better life for Americans. It is true that the guys who have jobs doing this will have more to spend, but the whole operation is at the cost of the rest of the world, 100000 Iraqi civilians, 3000 US mil, it would perhaps be better if they had all contributed their knowledge and lived in peace,,, But that is not the way it is (and human nature). So it is sort of hard to argue 'I have the better solution', but if you go that way and sort of see that we really have no free will, and are a result of all forces in the universe working on us, then you are also free to think on the other side, and then why not grab Saudi oil and have nice cheap oil and stop Islam? Leaving aside any 'civilised' thinking, you grabbed the land from the natives, dunno how many injuns have been killed, Israel grabbed Palestine, China grabbed Tibet, wtf are the US waiting for to grab the oil in Saudi Arabia? Chavez does in... Putin does it.... those Bushist are simply not hawkish enough :-) Saudis think it is smart having US protection... but if your protector is all powerful, as the US is with H nukes, he does not really need you... so why keep you. Anyways....power may shift, the Roman empire is no more, after Caesar it started to decline. Alliances fell apart..... China is very powerful atm, although now friendly with the US, already owns large parts of the US! If power is moving there, then US will have to play second fiddle, or attach and destroy the rest of the world. I agree that if you have to pay second fiddle you better have your own oil...... resources. Other leaders (countries) know this.... It is funny how ever much Bush screamed, N Korea announced more nuke tests, ONE meeting with China and no more nuke tests.... talk about influence :-) There you go. |
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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran
"Diamond Jim" wrote in message ... "Ricardo" wrote in message .uk... Darn Good Intelligence wrote: Ricardo wrote: Darn Good Intelligence wrote: William Black wrote: "Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message oglegroups.com... Well if you are going to be the worlds only superpower, you have to act like it. The trouble is, with childish comments like this, you sound more like an adolescent bully who has yet to grow into his spots, with a hobby of mugging the old and infirm - and when they try to get an anti-mugging kit together, you scream 'nuke the *******s, because they're threatening me'. Sad, sad little man, from a paranoid nation of sad, sad little men! -- When you discover that "they" really are out to get you, you may realise that you're not quite as paranoid as you thought you were. |
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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive'build-up for war with Iran
Defendario wrote:
wrote: Mike Weeks is an evil individual... As well as being an UnAmerican asshole. ...yet he has taken an extremely bad poker hand and played it as best he could(USS Liberty murders...GOI story stunk to high heaven right from get-go...gets stinkier and stinkier when you even begin to scratch the surface) IsReeL stinks. It needs wiped from the pages of history, like Mahmoud says. Fortunately, you get wiped first. Plonk |
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the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran
Mike Weeks is an evil individual who runs away from issues that he himself has raised in the past...most currently the lies the GOI tried to wiggle out of as to US and UK miltary involvement in the SixDayWar. There is no reason to call him an "asshole" NOR ENGAGE in any profanity whatsoever...profanity says more about the character of the individual spewing it than it does about the individual it is being directed at. Israel has an absolute right to exist under the UN second partition...that same declaration ..signed onto by the US and UK also calls for the "right of return" of the original Palestinian inhabitants. Stating predjudicial statements of "wiping Israel off the map" serve no purpose other than to inflame.... I'd appreciate that you not use my postings in your replies to Mike Weeks... I, of course, have no way of enforcing something like that... ....but I am having a tough enough time getting him to answer some seminal points;to wit, Mikey, m'wee bairn!!! Hyperlink me to a post or a textbook or historical commentary from 1997 where US Ambassador to Egypt, Richard Parker thoroughly discredited Greg Reight... Did someone in the IDF realize their gaffe and send a Mirage Fighter over that Egyptian airfield at a later date? Is that IDF photo on your AOL Hometown site shot at the same angle as you claimed the cropped picture was????.... IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN WITH MIKE...you don't need to use profanity... Mikey ...as Wing Commander of the Data Entry Squadron, do you wear a leather flight jacket? Can I play the role of Ensign Dvorak of the Keyboard Squadron, m'wee bairn???? Mikey...do you OWN a leather flight jacket? I'll dress up as Mr. Spock with Vulcan ears if you wear your leather flight jacket!!!! Bwaaahaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!! |
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Well..I think I've been pretty even-handed in ensuring the GOI is not held to any standard that the LVA is not willing to hold themselves to... ....i think you would be hard-pressed to find any who would agree that I am a shill for Mike Weeks---the fact that he runs away from my postings DEMONSTRATIVELY ESTABLISHES just the opposite. Neither South Africa NOR the Soviet Union have been wiped off the map...thay have had changes in government... ...Israel also needs its anti-zionist elements to be lawfully elevated to power. Indeed though...Israel is, by definition, an apartheid state---you could have stated that without the profanity in your postings. I am in the middle of trashing the USS Liberty War Crimes Complaint's prospects in US District Court at the moment due to the conduct of LVA Legal Director, Ron Gotcher, , The Officers of the LVA, as well as .... ......usslibertyinquiry site administrator, Kenneth J Halliwell's conduct involving an underage boy ,Andrew Nacin, in TWO felonies. I then have to report the conduct of Gotcher, Halliwell and Nacin to the respective law-enforcement authorities for their criminal conduct. Subsequent to that, we can return to the discussion of Mike Weeks. |
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