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What super secret organization spanned that time frame and conducted the
operations ? Step by step: Who lured confederates to attack Ft.Sumter? Check out the book I referred to. Who destroyed USS Maine and made "Remember Maine" US Battle cry? Who lured japanese to attack Pearl Harbor? (and eliminated the evidences about Phone conversions prior to Pearl Harbor attack berween Churchill and FDR about Pearl Harbor attack) Who made 9/11 happen. Also a small addition to above list,who were the Melody guys that created high tech (well at least for 60s) equipment that created impression that USS Maddox was under attack? A hint for you none of them came from another planet. |
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The words of a man that failed in his duty and would not admit it.
Why, when Adm Halsey sailed earlier that week and informed Adm Kimmel that he intended to shoot down or sink any Japanese ships or aircraft he might encounter on his way to and from Wake Is. Did Adm Halsey have intel that his boss did not posses ? No, Adm Halsey could see the signs, that Adm Kimmel refused to see them and to head those warnings he recieved only reinforce the Navies decision to fire Read the transcripts of the one of the congressional meetings.(I posted the link) According to current knowledge it is without any doubt clear that that Washington withhold the information they knew from Hawaii. There is a general agreement here.differences start after this point according to government or researchers backing gov't view there is no conspiracy here only honest mistakes,officials did not realize the importance of deciphered messages. Thats a big lie officials who made honest mistakes do try to hide the existence of phone conversation with British PM lust before Pearl Harbor attack. Truth is not only US had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor attack but also British. |
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After my noting the way my text keeps being deleted it seems a
new tactic to obscure has been created, take the time and effort to rearrange the order of the few words of mine left in. After all when someone wants to add words to historical documents, use Hollywood movies as accurate sources there is not much else to do. Denyav wrote in message ... For more info check out: "Who paid the Piper? . The CIA and cultural Cold War". By Frances Saunders. On sale now on paranoia street no doubt. Remember folks, lack of evidence is proof of two conspiracies, the original and the cover up. The lack of evidence for the cover up is proof of three conspiracies, and so on, head for the big conspiracy sale near you, pay your money and be told what you want to here as people make themselves rich at your expense. Geoffrey Sinclair Remove the nb for email. I see,"deny everything" and "stick to official version",seem to be only ways to find the truths. It worked in 1861,it worked in 1898,it worked in 1941, so,why not in 2001 or 2004?. Game is the same but audience is very different now,thats the reason why the credibility of US today is better than,well,used car salesman . Ah yes the USA is the source of all evil, but wait a moment, that means there will be a disinformation campaign about this, one of the best ways to hide this is to accuse the USA of being the source of all evil, since that obscures the "real" events. It is blindingly obvious when you use this sort of logic Denyav is a CIA/FBI/ABC/CBS/DKNY/USN/USAAF, oh what the heck, AAA (many organisations deleted) to ZZZZZ plant. Here to try and improve the reputation of the US by making absolutely absurd claims about it, so no one believes the real claims. Simple isn't it, remember no proof is absolute proof, truth must pass the "I like it" test and so on. There was no "law" there was effectively a petition. One that was turned down. Do not worry the fact the moon was in the third house is also proof of the conspiracy, FDR wearing his green socks the secret sign and so on. I dont know if FDR were wearing green socks but if the President had signed it before 9/11,it could be understood by some as a radical policy change. http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/cpqu...el=TOC_545749& Go look up the other items included, the Indianapolis sinking and the waiver on time limits for decorations. And the request was to advance the ranks at which Kimmel and Short were retired at. Real radical policy change stuff. This is quite funny, if the findings were kept secret period how would anyone know Kimmel had been exonerated? The deleted claim was the Naval Board of Inquiry report was never made public. This has to be ignored, since we know the outcome. Deleted text, "Putting words into Kimmel's mouth now I see. Kimmel's defence was that he was deprived of information he needed, mainly messages from the local Japanese consulate and timely warning of the time the last Japanese message was supposed to be presented to the US. There was nothing said about senior leaders wanting the attack to happen." On claims the inquiries were rigged, "I like this, if the one entity argument is followed then the claimed let off for Kimmel is the rigged result, it was an all Navy affair." On using Pearl Harbor the movie as a source, "I see "based on real characters", and I presume the transcripts of these claimed conversations are available? I presume you have traced the people the pilots and nurse were based on as well? Found the message the plot line was based on as well? Double checked the interviews were with people present, not relatives reporting hearsay 60 years later? Perhaps the fundamental reality that the US Army intelligence people did not work on IJN codes will intrude at some stage." I dont know what Kimmel said in Court but he said during an interview in 1958: Please tell us what court Kimmel was supposed to be in. "My belief is that Gen.Short and I were not given information available in Washington and were not informed of the impending attack because it was feared that the action in Hawai might deter Japanese from making the attack.Our President has repeatedly assured the American people that the US would not enter the war unless we were attacked .The Japanase attack on the fleet would put the US in the war with the full support of American Public" Sounds like he was telling the story of 9/11/2001 in 1958 !. If Kimmel was that psychic, describing 2001, he had no need for warnings, his telepathy should have been enough. By the way the above logic implies the Japanese could have invaded the Philippines, Wake and Guam, killing and capturing Americans and the US would have allowed this. The US did not need Pearl Harbor to enter the Pacific war. The IJN started sinking US merchant ships just before the attack went in. It would be nice to know the source of the claimed Kimmel words, it seems his lifetime's output is being searched for any claim he made, no proof offered. Remarkable line being run, the US is the source of all evil but the US is so good, so amazing, it cannot be defeated, only betrayed from within. No one can launch an unexpected attack on the US, it sees and knows all, I must ask the US where my favourite pen has ended up. Geoffrey Sinclair Remove the nb for email. |
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Ah yes the USA is the source of all evil, but wait a moment, that means
there will be a disinformation campaign about this, one of the best ways to hide this is to accuse the USA of being the source of all evil, since that obscures the "real" events. US is NOT the sole source of all evil,others tried and still try similar things,for example Reichstag fire,but the difference is that the US was and is worlds #1 in this issue by a big margin. It is blindingly obvious when you use this sort of logic Who hide this is to accuse the USA of being the source of all evil, since that obscures the "real" events. It is blindingly obvious when you use this sort of logic Lets go back,for example,to the year 1898. What was the non "real" event? 1)Sinking of USS Maine 2)Using the event Nr.1 as a batttle cry to get popular support for an empire building war 3)Emerging from Spanish-American war as a major power. enyav is a CIA/FBI/ABC/CBS/DKNY/USN/USAAF, oh what the heck, AAA (many organisations deleted) to ZZZZZ plant. Here to try and improve the reputation of the US by making absolutely absurd claims about it, so no one believes the real claims. Actually you dont need to be on anybodys payroll, 99,99 % of information is available to public if you know how to find them. Simple isn't it, remember no proof is absolute proof, truth must pass the "I like it" test and so on. Yeah right,for example if White House destroys phone records there is no proof that such calls were made unless somebody on other side of Atlantic declassifies their own records. But you can still control damage by asserting that they were lost accidentally. And the request was to advance the ranks at which Kimmel and Short were retired at. Real radical policy change stuff. Check out hearing transcripts: Http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/docs/texts/kimmel.htm Accusations aimed at the power center of US government not at periphery. The deleted claim was the Naval Board of Inquiry report was never made public. This has to be ignored, since we know the outcome. We know that was the only panel that allowed Kimmel to defend himself,present his own case and evidences. We also know after considering presented evidences Court came to conclusion that Kimmel should be exonorated. But we dont know the actual evidences. We also dont know why Forrestal and King overrode court decision despite the evidence. On using Pearl Harbor the movie as a source, "I see "based on real characters", and I presume the transcripts of these claimed conversations are available? I presume you have traced the people the pilots and nurse were Actually the movie completely ignored the role British intelligence which was far more capable than US at that time. Please tell us what court Kimmel was supposed to be in. Kimmel was in the court which he supposed to be in.This court "exhonorated" Kimmel but the decision of Court which Kimmel supposed to be in,was overturned by Forrestal-King duo. If Kimmel was that psychic, describing 2001, he had no need for warnings, his telepathy should have been enough. Kimmel surely was not a physic but US PSYOPs getting more and more like reruns of the same movie. By the way the above logic implies the Japanese could have invaded the Philippines, Wake and Guam, killing and capturing Americans and the US would have allowed this. The US did not need Pearl Harbor to Even tough Manila received warnings that Honolulu never received,MacArthur got defeated and humiliated and lost much more men and equipment than Kimmel and Short. I wonder why nobody demoted him. I wonder |
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"Geoffrey Sinclair" wrote in message ... By the way the above logic implies the Japanese could have invaded the Philippines, Wake and Guam, killing and capturing Americans and the US would have allowed this. The US did not need Pearl Harbor to enter the Pacific war. The IJN started sinking US merchant ships just before the attack went in. What the conspiroloons can never manage to explain is why the attack was allowed to happen, the USA could have put up a heavy CAP, manned all AA guns and have already flown off a major counterstrike and still would have been at war as the attack came in, the only difference would have been in the phrasing of the announcement and the fact that the US military would have come out of it looking good. A simple, "this morning at aprox 0600hrs the Japanese navy attacked Pearl Harbour without warning, this infamous attack was defeated by the courageous actions of our Army and Navy, the United States is now at war" would have done nicely. |
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What the conspiroloons can never manage to explain is why the attack was
allowed to happen, the USA could have put up a heavy CAP, manned all AA guns and have already flown off a major counterstrike and still would have been at war as the attack came in, the only difference would have been in the phrasing of the announcement and the fact that the US military would have come out of it looking good. Such an activity would deter Japanese from making the attack. The goal of FDR (and Churchill) was not to deter attack but lure Japan to attack US so that the domestic opposition to US participation could be overcome. Thats the reason why Washington gradually reduced the information sent to Honolulu beginning from July 1941. In other words Washington had a political goal and blindfolded Honolulu to achieve this goal. A simple, "this morning at aprox 0600hrs the Japanese navy attacked Pearl Harbour without warning, this infamous attack was defeated by the courageous actions of our Army and Navy, the United States is now at war" would have done nicely. It could easily be done,but it would not help FDR and Churchill as much as shock and awe created by Japanese "surprise" attack. Go to Http://www.ukan.edu/carrie/docs/texts/kimmel.htm and read the testimony of Capt.Beach. In Plain English he says basically: "The goal justifies the methods used to achive the goal" |
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