CBS "News" strikes AGAIN

That's pretty weak.

I answer your questions, and you respond by questioning my experience and
understanding. And so I guess you are a teacher? So? Bring your wisdom and
spread it around.

I have taught plenty of people, plenty of things. I have tutored. I have
taught soldiers as an officer. I have taught employees as a manager. I
have coached middle school basketball. I have been a student. I pay enough
in taxes every year to pay for a teacher, or two. I am a citizen, and I
vote.

Your ad hominem remarks hold no weight whatsoever. Claiming you are correct
because you know more without displaying it is pitiful, ignorant, and closed
minded.

Pick up the pace, or FALLOUT!


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote

Free markets work!

You don't get it. Education is not a free market. If it was, we would
fire
the students that did not keep up, or were habitually tardy, or had drug
problems, or a hundred more things.

We try teach everyone the same thing. Until we change that, we are
destined
to fail.

I take you are not a teacher, or have ever been one, or have been closely
involved in the classroom. I can only say again, you just don't get it.
--
Jim in NC

Will I change your mind? I know that answer.

I choose not to debate you, in this forum. There are others far better than
me to debate this issue. Let them waste their time.

I do know that until education has a chance to be run by educators, and not
elected common folk, and they have the ability to raise funds as they feel
they are needed, we are all in for a long struggle. One fix as you propose,
will not fix everything.

End of my contributions. Flame on, oh nameless wise man.
--
Jim in NC

Is there any topic on this NG that does not eventually turn into a debate on
either public education or gun control?

ummm, lessee, mmm nope!

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
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Is there any topic on this NG that does not eventually turn into a debate
on
either public education or gun control?

Margy Natalie wrote in :



"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Judah wrote:

That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and
celebrities make $100,000 an episode...

Well, teachers haven't made that little in a LLLOOONNNGGG time!
Around here, the going rate is around 50K for substitutes and over
70K to start for regulars. By comparison, starting pay for a software
developer with an MS is about 50K.

According to salary.com the median pay for a teacher in New Brunswick,
NJ is $51, 927 with the 25th percentile salary at $41,143. I think
this is probably much closer to reality. NO schools start at 70K and
many top out below that. Somerset High School is about $2,000 lower
and NYC about $2,000 higher. Substitutes in Fairfax County, VA get
$10 an hour. Subs are almost always hired by the hour with no
benefits. A starting teacher in Fairfax County gets $35,813 and 7% of
that comes off the top to pay for pension (yes, we pay our own).
Fairfax is considered a "good paying" district in a very expensive
area. 40 miles west of here the pay drops almost $10,000 a year.
http://www.fcps.edu/DHR/salary/scalepdfs/04tchr195.pdf shows more
realistic teacher salaries. Margy





George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's
usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."


My wife is a teacher, and while I would love for her to earn more, if you
take her salary and divide it by number of days worked, she does very
well indeed. To compare teacher salaries per year to other occupations
leaves out the summers, holidays, etc....

Even though she makes less than 40K, she still makes well over $200 per
day that she actually works....

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Blimey, that's huge! I thought teachers were supposed to be
poorly paid! I didn't earn that much until having worked about
7 or 8 years as a professional engineer.

It's more than a doctor's starting salary here and quite a bit
more than an engineer's starting salary.

In fact, here in the UK, my (younger) cousin, who's a teacher,
has just got a job for £6k a year more than me. I've been an
engineer (in the same company) (no prizes for guessing which,
look at my e-mail address!) since 1992.

Paul

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
...
A starting teacher in Fairfax County gets $35,813

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message hlink.net...
Is there any topic on this NG that does not eventually turn into a debate on
either public education or gun control?

Sure there is. Head on over to "Kerry is a Pilot?" for a debate on
presidential politics.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

I do know that until education has a chance to be run by educators, and
not
elected common folk, and they have the ability to raise funds as they feel
they are needed, we are all in for a long struggle. One fix as you
propose,
will not fix everything.


Wow, so one fix will not fix it, unless its putting educators totally in
charge with unlimited funding. With answers like that, why have an open
mind? If only I was your AP, I could afford a new plane.

As for namelessness, if you judge something on its merits - you have no need
to consider its source.

AND, many of them get a pension instead of a contributory retirement plan.
How do they value that in those surveys?



"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
...
Blimey, that's huge! I thought teachers were supposed to be
poorly paid! I didn't earn that much until having worked about
7 or 8 years as a professional engineer.

It's more than a doctor's starting salary here and quite a bit
more than an engineer's starting salary.

In fact, here in the UK, my (younger) cousin, who's a teacher,
has just got a job for £6k a year more than me. I've been an
engineer (in the same company) (no prizes for guessing which,
look at my e-mail address!) since 1992.

Paul

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
...
A starting teacher in Fairfax County gets $35,813

Dude wrote:

Margy,

I must challenge this statement:

"Contray to the uninformed opinion of other posters teachers really do study
how
minds work."

I was with you all the way until I got to this one. Either your positive
attitude, or an unusually positive series of coincidences has shaded your
judgement on the interest in childrens' minds held by many teachers today.
I am not uninformed. A close personal friend of mine is a public school
teacher, and I attended several public and private schools. Unlike many
people, I have a good memory of what transpired.

Actually I'm probably influenced by my district and make some assumptions based
on that. New teachers will have studied about the brain and how kids learn (or
they should have). My district and my administration offer a number of
in-service opportunities to keep up to date. I probably study it more as I'm a
special ed teacher.

.

I suppose that your experience with such a gifted child has led you to have
better teachers.

Can't quite parse this sentence. I would say dealing with cognitively impaired
students makes better teachers as you have to try so many things to get the
information to sink in.

Teaching the bright kids takes more energy and talent than
many of today's teachers have.

Nah, dealing with the bright kids parents takes the energy. The kids can be
lots of fun.

Margy