Nuther SR-22 crash/incident?

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Morgans,


The things that stop cars and airplanes are called brakes, not breaks.



Sorry, that one got mixed up. Now, gimme a brake, will ya? g


Disk or drum?

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Morgans,


The things that stop cars and airplanes are called brakes, not breaks.



Sorry, that one got mixed up. Now, gimme a brake, will ya? g


Disk or drum?

No fair picking on the non native speaker!

--
Dan

'Gut feeling'

Intestinologists concur that the human gut does not contain any rational
thoughts.

What the human gut *is* full of is moderately well known.

The things that stop cars and airplanes are called brakes, not breaks.



Sorry, that one got mixed up. Now, gimme a brake, will ya? g


Disk or drum?

No fair picking on the non native speaker!

Are you talking about Thomas, or me? g
--
Jim in NC

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
You see a connection that does not exist.

Again: We disagree on that. And that's ok, for me. Apparently, it's not
for you

You don't have the luxury of disagreeing. It's my post, and it means what
it means, not what you'd like it to mean. Nothing in my post said anything
about liability lawsuits, nor does it have anything to do with liability
lawsuits.

You can keep trying to imagine that it does all you want, you're still wrong
and being okay with "disagreeing" about it is just stupid.

You may recall the lawsuit against the maker of vacuum pumps after the
crash of an airplane. Same thing as your brake theory: The inherent
design...

Again, who said anything about lawsuits? You keep bringing that up. It has
*nothing* to do with what I wrote.

Uh...you are really a piece of work. You opened the personal invectives
with a direct accusation of my "American attitude",

I didn't realize that saying "that's a very American way of looking at it"
is
an accusation or a personal insult.

You are either really stupid or being intentionally obtuse. You pick.

Here's a clue: the insult is when you tie an insulting behavior (such as the
liability lawsuits you're talking about) to a particular group or individual
(such as Americans generally, or myself personally).

Be amazed as much as you want, you are still being insulting.

Pete

Peter,

You don't have the luxury of disagreeing.


This view on how you seem to think civilized discussions work ends any
further discussion with you quite nicely, thank you very much.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Matt,

Disk or drum?


Cleveland.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I will be the spoil sport here and return to the original topic... I
went to the people involved and got the facts...

The pilot states he had full power on and the stick back and the plane
continued to sink until it hit the ground... (think fully through the
ramifications of that statement before jumping on your keyboard)
He is a relatively low time pilot...
He is a professional person...
He is (was?) scheduled to buy a new SR-22 and was building time in a
rental airplane...
He has since flown another SR-22 with a check pilot...

In addition I interviewed a CFI who has some 40 hours in giving dual in
the Cirrus airplanes, who does not own a Cirrus, and says that he would
buy other planes over the Cirrus if he were in the market for another
plane for his flight school... Having established that he is not a
poster boy for Cirrus aircraft we discussed their flight
characteristics...
He is of the opinion that it is a fine airplane, it flies nicely, it
has outstanding performance for fixed gear, and it does not have bad
habits...
He does note that the laminar flow wing requires you to fly the
airplane by the numbers, especially on final (true also of Bonanzas,
Barons, Mooney 231's, etc)...
The parachute is a non issue for him - it happens to be there and if he
had to use it he would... Other than that he doesn't care one way or
the other about the parachute...

He mirrored my opinion (smart fella) about the crash record of the
Cirrus line... That it is attractive to pilots who are relatively low
time, who are business people or professionals of some sort or other
and have spent many years being trained and building their business,
who now have relatively high incomes and can afford a rather expensive,
slippery and fast, airplane... This combination tends to have a higher
percentage of accidents early on with a high performance airplane
compared to pilots who have spent more years flying and built up more
flight time, even if it is in lower performance aircraft... He does
not blame the airplane... We agreed that if the pilot who has a crash
in a Cirrus had spent a year or two in something like a Skylane, P210,
Mooney, etc., before going to the Cirrus that the Cirrus crash rate
would then be the same as for any high performance light plane...
Most airplane crashes are caused by a loose nut on the yoke...

denny

In article .com,
"Denny" wrote:

[snip]
He mirrored my opinion (smart fella) about the crash record of the
Cirrus line... That it is attractive to pilots who are relatively low
time, who are business people or professionals of some sort or other
and have spent many years being trained and building their business,
who now have relatively high incomes and can afford a rather expensive,
slippery and fast, airplane... This combination tends to have a higher
percentage of accidents early on with a high performance airplane
compared to pilots who have spent more years flying and built up more
flight time, even if it is in lower performance aircraft... He does
not blame the airplane... We agreed that if the pilot who has a crash
in a Cirrus had spent a year or two in something like a Skylane, P210,
Mooney, etc., before going to the Cirrus that the Cirrus crash rate
would then be the same as for any high performance light plane...
Most airplane crashes are caused by a loose nut on the yoke...

In short... Thurman Munson Syndrome

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
You don't have the luxury of disagreeing.


This view on how you seem to think civilized discussions work ends any
further discussion with you quite nicely, thank you very much.

lol...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given your previously demonstrated
arrogance, that you think a "civilized discussion" involves you putting
whatever words into someone's mouth you like.

That you believe you can disagree with my statement about what I actually
said is quite telling.

In article .com,
"Denny" wrote:

I will be the spoil sport here and return to the original topic... I
went to the people involved and got the facts...

The pilot states he had full power on and the stick back

Ah, there's the problem.

and the plane
continued to sink until it hit the ground... (think fully through the
ramifications of that statement before jumping on your keyboard)

Seems pretty clear that he was behind the power curve and needed to
lower the nose. You should *never* have the "stick back" when landing a
Cirrus, not even during the flare.

rg