What GA needs

Mxsmanic wrote:
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Such as?

The entire process of obtaining a license, for example, as well as the endless
currency requirements, medical exams, type ratings, and so on.

Clueless babbling idiot.


--
Jim Pennino

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Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:


But from my experience, noise levels have always been a
consideration to a lot of the people I have introduced to GA. And
the world is becoming more demanding of creature comforts every day.

No Sh!t, how do you think Bose gets away with selling $1000 headsets.


But if people will pay $1000 for headsets, what would they pay for an
aircraft that doesn't require them?

Which is cheaper? A $1000 pair of headsets or the multi hundred pounds it
will take to make aircraft quieter in the cockpit. And before you answer we
aren't just talking insullation here we are talking a bigger engine to carry
the weight of the insullation, more fuel and fuel burn because of the bigger
engine and probably 100 other things I haven't even thought of.



And how many more people would be attracted to GA, if they didn't
have to decide between noise - and the discomfort, cost and
inconvenience of headsets. And before you answer, consider the battle
in the motorcycle community over helmets.


The fact is most people that ride motorcycles DO where helments. I personaly
got ****ed as hell that in the same session of the Arkansas legislature they
passed a law that adults could ride without them and at then turned around
and passed a law that requires that same adult to put on a seat belt in a
car that has airbags all around the driver.



I really believe most pilots today, are pilots because they love to
fly. And most would continue to fly even if they had to wear a space
suit. But we will never know how much noise, vibration and
inconvenience has handicapped aviation's ability to compete with
other pursuits, until we have eliminated them.

You are right that there are probably some folks out there that don't fly
for that reason. But motorcycles are loud, jetskis are loud, ski and bass
boats are loud. Being loud isn't the problem. The same goes for vibration.

"Morgans" wrote in message
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A properly indexed and balanced prop is not going to be worse than a prop
isolated from the engine, either.


How does properly indexing and balancing a prop reduce torsional vibration?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Which is cheaper? A $1000 pair of headsets or the multi hundred pounds it
will take to make aircraft quieter in the cockpit. And before you answer
we aren't just talking insullation here we are talking a bigger engine to
carry the weight of the insullation, more fuel and fuel burn because of
the bigger engine and probably 100 other things I haven't even thought of.

You might not have to add weight. The auto industry seems to have avoided
it.


You are right that there are probably some folks out there that don't fly
for that reason. But motorcycles are loud, jetskis are loud, ski and bass
boats are loud. Being loud isn't the problem. The same goes for vibration.


Perhaps not to you, but there are a lot of people out there that can easily
afford any small plane they choose. But they don't fly airplanes, ride jet
skis, motorcycles or bass boats. Most do however seem to drive a Lexus, or
something a whole lot like one.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:49:36 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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Which is cheaper? A $1000 pair of headsets or the multi hundred pounds it
will take to make aircraft quieter in the cockpit.

Now that the jet airliners are quieter than the light singles, isn't
it time for some noise reduction? What significant disadvantage would
there be to a muffler re-design to reduce noise? I realize there
isn't much room available for a larger muffler, and the increased heat
it might radiate would be a factor to consider. But I can recall when
police helos would awaken the neighborhood; now that's a thing of the
past. Surely there is some technologic expertise that could be
applied to aircraft noise reduction, isn't there? Aren't Q-tip props
quieter?

In article , "Maxwell"
wrote:

But if people will pay $1000 for headsets, what would they pay for an
aircraft that doesn't require them?

nothing.

And how many more people would be attracted to GA, if they didn't have to
decide between noise - and the discomfort, cost and inconvenience of
headsets.

Do you know anyone who said something like "I'd fly but these airplanes
are just too noisy"?

And before you answer, consider the battle in the motorcycle
community over helmets.

Is anyone requiring pilots to wear headsets? No. Your comparison
to nanny-state requirements for helmets is invalid.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Bottom line is that flying, like skiing, scuba diving, skydiving,
motocross, etc is not for everyone.

Ron Lee

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article , "Maxwell"

wrote:

But if people will pay $1000 for headsets, what would they pay for an
aircraft that doesn't require them?

nothing.

Nonsense. You cut the noise level on GA 50%, and pilots would be lining up.


And how many more people would be attracted to GA, if they didn't have to
decide between noise - and the discomfort, cost and inconvenience of
headsets.

Do you know anyone who said something like "I'd fly but these airplanes
are just too noisy"?

Yes. I have know a couple of pilots that gave it up because their wives had
problems with noise, and I would certainly enjoy it more myself.


And before you answer, consider the battle in the motorcycle
community over helmets.

Is anyone requiring pilots to wear headsets? No. Your comparison
to nanny-state requirements for helmets is invalid.

I think you missed the point on that one, Bob. I think as many pilots would
like to loose their headset, as bikers would their helmets. But they don't
want to suffer the loss of hearing or safety.

Bob Noel wrote:
Do you know anyone who said something like "I'd fly but these
airplanes are just too noisy"?

I know someone who is a pilot and thought small airplanes were noisy enough
(among other reasons of course) to design, build, and fly an experimental
hot-air airship. There is an interesting video made for the Boston Globe
newspaper of the airship in action and an interview with the designers
where one of them cites noise of small aircraft as one motivation. Click on
the image with the words "Going Up" on this website to see the video:

http://www.personalblimp.com/

(That kind of leisurely flying appeals to me - being able to stop and smell
the roses, or pick the apples off the top of tree by reaching _downward_.
;-). I'm definitely out of step with the go-fast crowd.)

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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Bottom line is that flying, like skiing, scuba diving, skydiving,
motocross, etc is not for everyone.


If it is not, why shouldn't it be? Besides, how does GA compare to any of
those activities? You are inside a heated motor vehicle, that usually
affords passengers, and has a much better safety record.