Force feedback versus real piloting?

John Doe wrote:


You appear to be thinking in black-and-white again Mr. Henriques.
What a poster posts and the ID he (or she) is using are both useful.
If you're good at it, you can usually tell whether the poster is
legit.


Well, I'll tell you.......when you start posting back to me stating
exactly what I've been telling you from the beginning and treating that
as something I need to know as you have done here, it's time for me to
bail out.
Best to you
DH



--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

John Doe wrote:
Tina tbaker27705 gmail.com wrote:

I suspect Mx is striving for recognition any way he can. You may
remember he posted a note once about not being able to afford a
McDonald Happymeal, and his website does ask for donated money.

He, I think, resent many on this site can use avgas at the rate of
20 Big Macs with Cheese an hour. "How can", some in his
circumstances often ask, "such obviously inferior people be doing
so well compared to me?"
That could be. But that doesn't explain why a control freak puts so
much time into trying to oust him from the group (especially since
it just ain't going to happen), and so little time debunking his
arguments. If I were a pilot, I probably wouldn't bother much unless
his advice was unsafe, then I'd jump on it.

I see that on the professional side of my life quite a lot.

And others here might ask, "How come a non pilot like tina posts
so often." The answer of course is I'm brilliant (and do get some
right seat time too).
In a professional group like this, really useful might be to include
a very brief summary of past and present flying experience at the
end or in the signature of a post, especially when discrediting
someone for lack of piloting experience.

Good luck and have fun.
Listing experience on Usenet is really a lost cause. Anyone can state
anything about experience and it can be true or false.
The best and only way to deal with Usenet properly in my opinion
anyway,
is simply to post information and data. Those who know will know
immediately what is right and what is bull crap.



Even those who don't will quickly suss out the wheat form the chaff. I
recently paid a visit to a new group. If you want to see some chaos, try
alt.global-warming. Anyhow, it didn't take long to figure out who knew
what there, and it's a much more complicated place than this is.


BTW, if you do post there, tell em Bertie sent you. There's a pilot
acquantenece there who might give you a program to the show if you'r
enice to him.


Bertie

All I have to do is mention global warming and that reminds my wife of
Al Gore. The next week after that could be hell to pay around here.
She considers Al Gore right as the fifth horseman of the apocalypse :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

John Doe wrote:
Tina tbaker27705 gmail.com wrote:

I suspect Mx is striving for recognition any way he can. You may
remember he posted a note once about not being able to afford a
McDonald Happymeal, and his website does ask for donated money.

He, I think, resent many on this site can use avgas at the rate of
20 Big Macs with Cheese an hour. "How can", some in his
circumstances often ask, "such obviously inferior people be doing
so well compared to me?"
That could be. But that doesn't explain why a control freak puts so
much time into trying to oust him from the group (especially since
it just ain't going to happen), and so little time debunking his
arguments. If I were a pilot, I probably wouldn't bother much
unless his advice was unsafe, then I'd jump on it.

I see that on the professional side of my life quite a lot.

And others here might ask, "How come a non pilot like tina posts
so often." The answer of course is I'm brilliant (and do get some
right seat time too).
In a professional group like this, really useful might be to
include a very brief summary of past and present flying experience
at the end or in the signature of a post, especially when
discrediting someone for lack of piloting experience.

Good luck and have fun.
Listing experience on Usenet is really a lost cause. Anyone can
state anything about experience and it can be true or false.
The best and only way to deal with Usenet properly in my opinion
anyway,
is simply to post information and data. Those who know will know
immediately what is right and what is bull crap.



Even those who don't will quickly suss out the wheat form the chaff.
I recently paid a visit to a new group. If you want to see some
chaos, try alt.global-warming. Anyhow, it didn't take long to figure
out who knew what there, and it's a much more complicated place than
this is.


BTW, if you do post there, tell em Bertie sent you. There's a pilot
acquantenece there who might give you a program to the show if you'r
enice to him.


Bertie

All I have to do is mention global warming and that reminds my wife of
Al Gore. The next week after that could be hell to pay around here.
She considers Al Gore right as the fifth horseman of the apocalypse
:-)


well, I'd be in his camp as well. Still, almost everything I do snots up
the atmosphere..


I'm simultaneously looking forward to and loathing the day when the
electric airplane becomes a reality.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of the
runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.
My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

It might if you flew a Pitts.



Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break your
neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe sense in
it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when I used to
teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the first things
they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more importantlt, how to
get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu the
teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I realised
that even though the student was going to end up pointing about 90 deg
from the entry heading at the end when he tries this first, he's going
to be learning the principles of an escape manuever by virtue of the
fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie

I had a copy of Duane's book around here somewhere but it's probably
hidden under something REAL dusty by now.

Not quite sure how Cole structured his book, but verticals are a bit
easier for new akro students to handle than rolls. I wouldn't start
anyone with Immelmans however.
I'd always start a newbie out by allowing them to do simple nose high
entry aileron rolls both ways which allowed them to see and feel the
airplane go around and gave them a taste of going inverted. This was a
teaser really as aileron rolls have little use in aerobatics other than
in rolling recoveries from botched maneuvers.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

John Doe wrote:
Tina tbaker27705 gmail.com wrote:

I suspect Mx is striving for recognition any way he can. You may
remember he posted a note once about not being able to afford a
McDonald Happymeal, and his website does ask for donated money.

He, I think, resent many on this site can use avgas at the rate of
20 Big Macs with Cheese an hour. "How can", some in his
circumstances often ask, "such obviously inferior people be doing
so well compared to me?"
That could be. But that doesn't explain why a control freak puts so
much time into trying to oust him from the group (especially since
it just ain't going to happen), and so little time debunking his
arguments. If I were a pilot, I probably wouldn't bother much
unless his advice was unsafe, then I'd jump on it.

I see that on the professional side of my life quite a lot.

And others here might ask, "How come a non pilot like tina posts
so often." The answer of course is I'm brilliant (and do get some
right seat time too).
In a professional group like this, really useful might be to
include a very brief summary of past and present flying experience
at the end or in the signature of a post, especially when
discrediting someone for lack of piloting experience.

Good luck and have fun.
Listing experience on Usenet is really a lost cause. Anyone can
state anything about experience and it can be true or false.
The best and only way to deal with Usenet properly in my opinion
anyway,
is simply to post information and data. Those who know will know
immediately what is right and what is bull crap.


Even those who don't will quickly suss out the wheat form the chaff.
I recently paid a visit to a new group. If you want to see some
chaos, try alt.global-warming. Anyhow, it didn't take long to figure
out who knew what there, and it's a much more complicated place than
this is.


BTW, if you do post there, tell em Bertie sent you. There's a pilot
acquantenece there who might give you a program to the show if you'r
enice to him.


Bertie
All I have to do is mention global warming and that reminds my wife of
Al Gore. The next week after that could be hell to pay around here.
She considers Al Gore right as the fifth horseman of the apocalypse
:-)


well, I'd be in his camp as well. Still, almost everything I do snots up
the atmosphere..


I'm simultaneously looking forward to and loathing the day when the
electric airplane becomes a reality.


Bertie


Kind of gives new meaning to driving out to the airport in a new Prius,
then climbing into a P51 and firing up the ole' Merlin!

--
Dudley Henriques

es330td wrote:

My CFI said the same thing. I "played" MSFS with an eye toward IRL
flying for about 2 years before sitting left seat the first time. We
did a 30 mile cross country during my second lesson and he said that I
held course and altitude better than some people he knows who have
been flying for 20 years.

I got complemented on my first lesson, too. After that, the CFI spent
the next 15 lessons getting me to look outside the airplane. G

Why would you do a 30 mile cross country on the second lesson? That's
kind of strange.

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

John Doe wrote:
Tina tbaker27705 gmail.com wrote:

I suspect Mx is striving for recognition any way he can. You may
remember he posted a note once about not being able to afford a
McDonald Happymeal, and his website does ask for donated money.

He, I think, resent many on this site can use avgas at the rate
of 20 Big Macs with Cheese an hour. "How can", some in his
circumstances often ask, "such obviously inferior people be
doing so well compared to me?"
That could be. But that doesn't explain why a control freak puts
so much time into trying to oust him from the group (especially
since it just ain't going to happen), and so little time
debunking his arguments. If I were a pilot, I probably wouldn't
bother much unless his advice was unsafe, then I'd jump on it.

I see that on the professional side of my life quite a lot.

And others here might ask, "How come a non pilot like tina posts
so often." The answer of course is I'm brilliant (and do get
some right seat time too).
In a professional group like this, really useful might be to
include a very brief summary of past and present flying
experience at the end or in the signature of a post, especially
when discrediting someone for lack of piloting experience.

Good luck and have fun.
Listing experience on Usenet is really a lost cause. Anyone can
state anything about experience and it can be true or false.
The best and only way to deal with Usenet properly in my opinion
anyway,
is simply to post information and data. Those who know will know
immediately what is right and what is bull crap.


Even those who don't will quickly suss out the wheat form the
chaff. I recently paid a visit to a new group. If you want to see
some chaos, try alt.global-warming. Anyhow, it didn't take long to
figure out who knew what there, and it's a much more complicated
place than this is.


BTW, if you do post there, tell em Bertie sent you. There's a pilot
acquantenece there who might give you a program to the show if
you'r enice to him.


Bertie
All I have to do is mention global warming and that reminds my wife
of Al Gore. The next week after that could be hell to pay around
here. She considers Al Gore right as the fifth horseman of the
apocalypse
:-)


well, I'd be in his camp as well. Still, almost everything I do snots
up the atmosphere..


I'm simultaneously looking forward to and loathing the day when the
electric airplane becomes a reality.


Bertie


Kind of gives new meaning to driving out to the airport in a new
Prius, then climbing into a P51 and firing up the ole' Merlin!



Well, exactly!


Bertie

On Oct 8, 7:49 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:30:55 -0800, Scott Skylane wrote:
How can you tell if there's an angineer at a party? Oh, he'll tell you!

I was at a dinner party a while back, and man there introduced himself as the
director of the local symphony orchestra.

I shouted out, "Hey, look, folks...a conductor and an engineer!"

Ron "Well, *I* thought it was funny" Wanttaja

Whooo whooooooo!!!! Chugga chugga chugga....

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of
the runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.
My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

It might if you flew a Pitts.



Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break
your neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe
sense in it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when
I used to teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the
first things they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more
importantlt, how to get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu
the teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I
realised that even though the student was going to end up pointing
about 90 deg from the entry heading at the end when he tries this
first, he's going to be learning the principles of an escape manuever
by virtue of the fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie

I had a copy of Duane's book around here somewhere but it's probably
hidden under something REAL dusty by now.

Not quite sure how Cole structured his book, but verticals are a bit
easier for new akro students to handle than rolls. I wouldn't start
anyone with Immelmans however.
I'd always start a newbie out by allowing them to do simple nose high
entry aileron rolls both ways which allowed them to see and feel the
airplane go around and gave them a taste of going inverted. This was a
teaser really as aileron rolls have little use in aerobatics other
than in rolling recoveries from botched maneuvers.


I agree, and that's kind of the way I was thinking, but duane made me
think again. And who wouldn't listen to him?
My own syllabus would vary, but for these guys who have no tailwheel
time to speak of I'll start them with Dutch rolls, some slow flight, and
when they figure out what their feet are for then some spins with the
emphasis on recognition and recovery.
Chandelles then to reasonable proficiency. A few lazy eights, then
loops. Aileron rolls next, then wingovers (one of my favorites since it
hones rudder skills in particular) Snaps. then some inverted and onto
barrel rolls and slow rolls. Everything after that is some combination
anyway. Before they go solo I show them how to recognise trouble early
by having a series of gates. If they fail to reach an attitude or
airspeed by the time they reached one of the gates, they exit the
manuever.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

george wrote:
On Oct 9, 11:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
You couldn't start my airplane, let alone get it to the end of
the runway, fjukkwit.
Some aircraft I know how to start, others not.
My aeroplane would not fit in your bedroom

It might if you flew a Pitts.


Or one of thsoe Cri Cris.



Just got an old copy of "The conquest of lines and symmetry" in
anticiaption of my return to the wonderful world of trying to break
your neck. His syllaus is very strange in my view, but I can see soe
sense in it at the same time. I developed my own over the years when
I used to teach them and came to the conclusion early that one of the
first things they needed to learn was how to stay out, but more
importantlt, how to get out of trouble.
Now. Immelmans would have been well down the road in my classes, bu
the teaches them on lesson one. "This is nuts" though I. But then I
realised that even though the student was going to end up pointing
about 90 deg from the entry heading at the end when he tries this
first, he's going to be learning the principles of an escape manuever
by virtue of the fact that it's forcing him to think in three axes.
Clever boy!



Bertie
I had a copy of Duane's book around here somewhere but it's probably
hidden under something REAL dusty by now.

Not quite sure how Cole structured his book, but verticals are a bit
easier for new akro students to handle than rolls. I wouldn't start
anyone with Immelmans however.
I'd always start a newbie out by allowing them to do simple nose high
entry aileron rolls both ways which allowed them to see and feel the
airplane go around and gave them a taste of going inverted. This was a
teaser really as aileron rolls have little use in aerobatics other
than in rolling recoveries from botched maneuvers.


I agree, and that's kind of the way I was thinking, but duane made me
think again. And who wouldn't listen to him?
My own syllabus would vary, but for these guys who have no tailwheel
time to speak of I'll start them with Dutch rolls, some slow flight, and
when they figure out what their feet are for then some spins with the
emphasis on recognition and recovery.
Chandelles then to reasonable proficiency. A few lazy eights, then
loops. Aileron rolls next, then wingovers (one of my favorites since it
hones rudder skills in particular) Snaps. then some inverted and onto
barrel rolls and slow rolls. Everything after that is some combination
anyway. Before they go solo I show them how to recognise trouble early
by having a series of gates. If they fail to reach an attitude or
airspeed by the time they reached one of the gates, they exit the
manuever.


Bertie


Gates are exactly how we structure an airshow display. Using them keeps
people alive :-)

Sounds like a good learning curve you are setting up, also about what
mine was, which of course makes it the perfect plan :-)

--
Dudley Henriques