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Andy Hawkins wrote:
Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Where this turning stuff practice comes in handy is in being able to
keep your pattern ground track where it is supposed to be when the winds
blow without having to think about it a lot.

I guess so. That's the sort of thing I was obviously doing 'subconsciously'
when I moved into the circuit (unless my circuits were all completely the
wrong shape!).

If you want a totally impartial evaluation, get a GPS that stores your
track and do 3 or 4 trips around the pattern on a windy day.

The first time I did that I decided it was time to go out to the practice
area and do some refresher turning manuevers.

--
Jim Pennino

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Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
There's a really cool one called eights on pylons. In those, you have
to pick two pylons and do a figure of eight around them. The wind is
blowing frm one pylon to the other.
But in these the bank angle is constant as you make the round part of
the eights. So, you have to adjust your speed around the figure to
make the groundspeed constant all the way around. You aren;'t allowed
to touch the throttle though, which means you climb and dive around
the figure to do that.
That's a commercial manuever.

Again, sounds like a good exercise in control, but I'm not sure I see
the practical applications. I suppose any 'better' control can only be
good. Trying to think of a similar manoevre you do on a driving test
that has little real world application. Reversing around a corner
perhaps (we do this in the UK)


No, nothing like that. This has definite benefits.
Tell you waht, you try them and the next time you fly with your
instructor after that see if he doesn't notice how much smoother you
are.
A better analogy woudl be juggling or riding a bike. If you can
introduce another ball into your routine the bits with the one bal less
will be that much easier and smoother.




Did you get it right though?

Haven't tried it. Maybe I'll give it a go on the sim.

(big grin implied there by the way!)

One thing it is definitely 100% useless for.

The theory is one thing. Doing them is another. Remember you have to
hold altitude, you have to keep your eye on the point and you have to
stay oriented. They aren't easy to do well.
This means you're not looking at your instruments much. You have to
constantly adjust your bank angle and this means you are constantly
adjusting the back pressure on your stick.
It's an introduction to a type of handling that is fluid and
intuitive, rather than stodgy and numbers based.
It also gives an essential awareness of how the airplane is behaving
in regard to it's track over the ground, which is indespensible when
you are manuevering low, as in a circuit, for instance. It also comes
in extremely handy when you're modeling ground track in your head
flying instruments.

Like I said above, I guess any increase in your ability to control the
plane and make adjustments based on the effect of wind can only be
good. Perhaps I'll try to give it a go when I finally get to do some
more flying.



Yeah good idea. Do them at about 1,000 ft agl. Ideally it should be
lower, but you might upset the neighbors and the CAA if you do.

Andy Hawkins wrote in
:

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Where this turning stuff practice comes in handy is in being able to
keep your pattern ground track where it is supposed to be when the
winds blow without having to think about it a lot.

I guess so. That's the sort of thing I was obviously doing
'subconsciously' when I moved into the circuit (unless my circuits
were all completely the wrong shape!).


Well, yes, you would have been doing it in the circuit allright, but this
takes control to a higher level.

It's harder than you think and I'm willing to bet you'll see the benefits
in time
Remember, the circle has to be perfect, the fligh tco-ordinated, and the
altitude mustn't budge.



Bertie

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:31:31 GMT, nobody wrote:

If they aren't smart enough to fly, they can go to Europe. I hear France
accepts sub-standard Americans.

Yeah, just ask Jerry Lewis.

--
Dallas

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
If you want a totally impartial evaluation, get a GPS that stores your
track and do 3 or 4 trips around the pattern on a windy day.

The first time I did that I decided it was time to go out to the practice
area and do some refresher turning manuevers.

That's exactly what I've just done, although more for recording my NavEx's.
Little bluetooth gadget coupled with some software running on my mobile
phone to log tracks.

Been a while since I last flew, so I might get my next instructor to get me
to do a few circuits and see how they go.

Andy

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:

No, nothing like that. This has definite benefits.
Tell you waht, you try them and the next time you fly with your
instructor after that see if he doesn't notice how much smoother you
are.

Ok. My next session will be regaining my solo currency, and then following
that I'm supposed to do a few sessions of Solo General Handling, so I'll try
and include a few of these in there somewhere.

Haven't tried it. Maybe I'll give it a go on the sim.

(big grin implied there by the way!)

One thing it is definitely 100% useless for.

Yep. That was definitely a tongue in cheek momeny there!

Yeah good idea. Do them at about 1,000 ft agl. Ideally it should be
lower, but you might upset the neighbors and the CAA if you do.



Don't want to upset the CAA before I even get my license!

Andy

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing that isn't
a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires strong motivation.

You mean things like cool clothes, guitars and amplifiers, surf boards,
motorcycles, cars, video games, iPods, water skies, tickets to concerts,
and any other number of things a teenager could be interested in that
aren't a "necessity of life" for a teenager living with parents?

But, you probably don't understand any of that down there in your bunker.

He has a begging list for that so he don't need no steenkin' job.

On 1 Jan 2008 16:27:39 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

With my microlight I usually pay 2 to 4 EUR per landing at most rural
airports, rarely more. 2 tonners like C172s pay somewhere between 4 and
10 at the same airports.

Interesting... (if not a bit terrifying to US pilots)

As much as we hate government involvement in general, I think it would be
fair to say that the U.S. subsides GA to encourage it's existence.


Disclaimer:
(But, I'm a new pilot... I don't know how fair that statement is.)

--
Dallas

"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
...
Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing that isn't
a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires strong motivation.

You'd probably be MUCH better off had your parents made you get a job for one particular
thing that you wanted when you were young.

The Mattell Junior Mechanic's Tool Set was a tad beyond his means and working long enough
to save up the $9.95 for it was wa-a-ay beyond the limits of his ambition.

Dallas writes:

Yeah, just ask Jerry Lewis.

Why?