MDW Overrun - SWA

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:0LMmf.4135

The fact that the airplane ended up past the end of the runway is
sufficient evidence that this landing was not a good idea. How much more
evidence does one need?

No, you're not quite right in the analysis of your own ideas. You write
"The fact that the airplane ended up past the end of the runway is
sufficient evidence that this landing was not a good idea." This is not
accurate. You could say "The fact that the airplane ended up past the
end of the runway is sufficient evidence that something went wrong."

What you're trying to invoke is the legal doctrine of res ipsa loquitur
regarding pilot error and negligence. Often used by plaintiff in
negligence claims, it requires, in one aspect, that the plaintiff prove
that other possible agents of responsibility, such as mechanical failure,
weather factors, etc., did *not* play a role in the accident.

Correct. Trying to dig oneself out of a hole created by a banally stupid
statement requires this sort of logical sodomy. By the same reasoning,
*every* bad landing is evidence that it shouldn't have been attempted.
Circular reasoning. Reductio ad absurdum.

moo

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:



Wrong. You have no experience with this type aircraft so your experience
allows you to make only an uninformed judgment.



Well there Mr Superpilot McNicoll, how do your ratings and hours compare
to his? What ratings do you have? What aircraft have you flown? How
many hours ya got?

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
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Well there Mr Superpilot McNicoll, how do your ratings and hours compare
to his? What ratings do you have? What aircraft have you flown? How
many hours ya got?


Mr Superpilot McNicoll?

My ratings and experience do not make me any more qualified on this issue
than Jim Macklin's ratings and experience make him. The difference with us
is I'm not pretending they do.

Whether you are flying a J3 or a 747, certain procedures are
the same. Those that are different are different in degree.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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nk.net...
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| "Otis Winslow" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Well there Mr Superpilot McNicoll, how do your ratings
and hours compare
| to his? What ratings do you have? What aircraft have you
flown? How
| many hours ya got?
|
|
| Mr Superpilot McNicoll?
|
| My ratings and experience do not make me any more
qualified on this issue
| than Jim Macklin's ratings and experience make him. The
difference with us
| is I'm not pretending they do.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Whether you are flying a J3 or a 747, certain procedures are
the same. Those that are different are different in degree.


Based on your experience with them, what are the certain procedures that are
the same in those aircraft and how do they relate to the SWA overrun at MDW?

An ILS is flown to the same point in space, you fly the loc
and gs antennas. Touchdown will always happen at some
distance past that point in space. If the speed is too
fast, the distance will be longer.

Good judgment about weather and runway conditions concern
the runway and the weather. Just as people buy 4x4 SUVs
and then drive too fast on slick roads because they fail to
understand that a 4x4 has no better stopping power than any
car with 4 wheel brakes and probably worse.

BTW, why are you so critical and what are your certificates
and experiences?


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:sq3rf.30487$QW2.28425@dukeread08...
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| Whether you are flying a J3 or a 747, certain procedures
are
| the same. Those that are different are different in
degree.
|
|
| Based on your experience with them, what are the certain
procedures that are
| the same in those aircraft and how do they relate to the
SWA overrun at MDW?
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|

Nice thing about ATC, controllers never die in a ATC related
event.


"Morgans" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| BTW, why are you so critical
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| He likes to argue about almost anything.
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| and what are your certificates and experiences?
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| Since he won't tell you (it seems), he is with ATC. Learn
to say
| "whatever," and move on.
| --
| Jim in NC
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"Jim Macklin" wrote

BTW, why are you so critical

He likes to argue about almost anything.

and what are your certificates and experiences?

Since he won't tell you (it seems), he is with ATC. Learn to say
"whatever," and move on.
--
Jim in NC

Jim Macklin wrote:
Nice thing about ATC, controllers never die in a ATC related
event.

yes they do. IIRC, The Swiss controller who worked the sector
where there was a mid-air ~FL380 (one was a Russian plane
and the other a cargo I think) was murdered by a family
member of one of the deceased. Does that count?



Gerald

GS wrote:

Nice thing about ATC, controllers never die in a ATC related event.


yes they do. IIRC, The Swiss controller who worked the sector
where there was a mid-air ~FL380 (one was a Russian plane
and the other a cargo I think) was murdered by a family
member of one of the deceased. Does that count?

It definitely counts.

There is the law, and here is justice.


Jack