"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

I have no quarrel with organized religion as a civilizing force that
fosters brotherhood and community among its followers,



It's the "amoung it's followers" part. That inevitably leaves another group
on the outside, it's always fun to have someone to focus your
dissatisfaction and anger on! But that's ok, those *******s deserve it!

In article ,
"Morgans" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as Islamo-fascism.
In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.

Really?

I hope that "almost" you speak of has several orders of magnitude behind it.

The key is what constitutes the "religious right". There are millions of
christians in the US that aren't liberal and might think of themselves as
religious right. Clearly those aren't in the same league as the evil
that promotes suicide bombers. I hope people don't group those
who oppose abortion with those who blow up abortion clinics.
Don't group all environmentalists with the anti-logging nutjobs that
spike trees.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Ron Garret wrote in news:rNOSPAMon-
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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as
Islamo-fascism. In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.

Really?

I hope that "almost" you speak of has several orders of magnitude
behind it.

I don't see many religious right people in the US strapping ball
bearing and nails around their body over the top of several pounds of
plastic explosive.

Nope, they just hop into B 52s and bomb entire cities.

To say nothing of the odd abortion clinic.

I'm with Jay and Bertie on this.

Why don't youjust run a knife through me?

Bertie

I can give you a example that I'm personally familiar with. Look at the
Episcopal church. Yes, there are groups threatening to split off the the
main church because of the views but the view of the main body of the church
is exactly what you seem to claim does not exist.
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have no quarrel with organized religion as a civilizing force that
fosters brotherhood and community among its followers,


I wouldn't, either. Didn't know there are any religions like that,
though.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"news.verizon.net" wrote in
news:elqgj.49276$8Z1.13558@trnddc05:

I can give you a example that I'm personally familiar with. Look at
the Episcopal church. Yes, there are groups threatening to split off
the the main church because of the views but the view of the main body
of the church is exactly what you seem to claim does not exist.


We're having the same problem with the Pastafarian church..

Splinters!



Bertie

Bob,

Clearly those aren't in the same league as the evil
that promotes suicide bombers.


But they may add support. A good example is the Catholic church, where
millions of "passive bystanders" give much more emphasis to any weird
statement the pope or a cardinal might make, simply by silently letting
it pass and allowing the church to count that as consent.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as Islamo-fascism.
In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.


We are indeed in full agreement. And on my birthday, to boot.

If that ain't proof of god... ;-)

Well, happy birthday, Thomas! And, if I haven't said it before, it's a
pleasure sparring with you here, from time to time. We may not always
cordially agree, but your reasoned responses usually make the interchange
enjoyable.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as Islamo-fascism.
In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.

Really?

I hope that "almost" you speak of has several orders of magnitude behind
it.

The rise of Radical Islam shows what happens when religion melds with a
violent, revenge-driven tribal culture. When petty tribal differences could
be expressed in sweeping religious generalizations (I.E.: "Kill the
infidels!"), violence became endemic in their system.

IMHO (and this is a BROAD generalization) one thing keeping the radical
religious right wing in America from going down this same violent road is
our culture of western reason, which generally discourages violence as a way
of settling intellectual arguments. Remove this aversion to violence and I
could easily see Southern preachers becoming military organizers like the
Mullahs.

As an aside, this favoring of reason over violence is why religion and
science have been able to coexist in Western Civilizations at all.

Really Jay, I understand your reservations and fear about fanatical
Christians, but to compare the two groups is totally un-American, I think.
You know better than to have that kind of knee jerk reaction.

It's a matter of degree. In my religious studies I have found no religion
that is inherently superior to any other -- so there is little reason to
believe that Christianity couldn't be used for the same evil ends as Islam.
In fact, history proves my point.

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing IEDs and
suicide bombers in America.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Splinters!



Some nu pu's wud fix that

Jay,

Well, happy birthday, Thomas!


Thanks a lot!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)