Rod Machado's New PPL Manual

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

As a non-seller and a non-owner, you're the one that doesn't get it. A
transaction does not necessitate an exchange.

As a business owner, I make fer darn sure all my transactions include
money.

Screw barter and precious metals and currency conversion economics.

What business are you in that "collections" is your biggest concern?

None. It's a concern in any business. Write that down. In case you ever
start one.

I agree with a poster long ago that said your technique is to post
something stupid and then continually argue around it. Which leads me
to conclude you, sir, are an idiot.

Dan Mc

That was painful, Dan, really painful. I'm
hurt...crying...sobbing...getting better...OK, I'm fine.
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:16:36 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

But the 800 lbs gorilla in the room that no one is mentioning here is
our inate fear of, and the risk posed by, heights. That's probably
the first turn-off for those who bother to consider GA at all.

Add to that "small plane", "no jets" noise, cramped (some) cockpits;
sensory and psychological overload. Regardless of the facts.

People still hate snakes.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:43:00 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

I think the perception of height is very different in an airplane than
it is on a ladder, or a roof, or on belay.

Or in a boat
On a ledge
Or bidet

You talk about distances, the issues are about fears, Capt. Obvious.

My wife hates heights, but has flown.

There you go. Why is that?

The thing she doesn't like are
the "bumps" that make the airplane feel like it's "falling."

Clues, clues everywhere.
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:04:23 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

The concept I believe could have merit if the manufacturers could find a
way to work together. One of the main issues as far as the flight
training venue is concerned is the fact that the training aircraft fleet
in large part consists of aging used airplanes of extremely mixed type.
Also, CFI's, the heart of the training program, are for a large part of
the community part time employees.
The entire training community is fairly unstable, and advertizing in any
general manner to attract people into this market could be quite a
complicated chore.

Hmmm, franchising would control this.

I believe that the negatives in the training venue need serious overhaul
before any generalized promotion would be effective.
I know I'm painting a fairly dark picture of all these issues. As a CFI
advising in the training community, I sincerely wish the picture was a
bit brighter and more stable.

No sense in painting any other picture.

I do agree with you, considering the overhaul I'm discussing here, that
if this was accomplished, a mass promotion program by the majors could
have positive results within the industry.

What about this.

A test market (geographic area, good weather, solid demographics, etc.),
a regional advertising push, pre-determined training plane inventories,
dedicated teaching staff credentials - a typical franchise with
controls, image, etc. It's a test. nothing set in concrete.

Co-funded by XYZ manufacturer or MFGs.
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

In rec.aviation.student Larry Dighera wrote:
But the 800 lbs gorilla in the room that no one is mentioning here is
our inate fear of, and the risk posed by, heights. That's probably
the first turn-off for those who bother to consider GA at all.

I'm skeptical of this. Hundreds of millions of people fly commercially all
the time. All the times I've done it, I've never encountered anyone who
mentioned or acted as though they were afraid of heights but felt that
they had to fly anyway. I have no doubt that fear of heights stops some
people, but I don't think it's any large number. (And I realize that
commercial planes and light aircraft would have different effects on
people this way, but I still don't think this accounts for a large
proportion of the population.)

Wandering off the subject a bit, I have a pretty fierce fear of heights.
Any time I'm on the upper floors of a tall building, I try to stay away
from the windows. It's something I can get used to with time; I spent an
entire school year living on the 15th floor of my college dorm building,
but that's not particularly high either. I'll go up to the top of
landmarks to sightsee but tend to stay away from the edges if I can.

Airplanes, on the other hand, cause no problems for me whatsoever. Even in
a really light single-seater getting smacked around by turbulence, or
making steep turns and looking straight down, I have no trouble. It's
weird.

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Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:04:23 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

The concept I believe could have merit if the manufacturers could find a
way to work together. One of the main issues as far as the flight
training venue is concerned is the fact that the training aircraft fleet
in large part consists of aging used airplanes of extremely mixed type.
Also, CFI's, the heart of the training program, are for a large part of
the community part time employees.
The entire training community is fairly unstable, and advertizing in any
general manner to attract people into this market could be quite a
complicated chore.

Hmmm, franchising would control this.

I believe that the negatives in the training venue need serious overhaul
before any generalized promotion would be effective.
I know I'm painting a fairly dark picture of all these issues. As a CFI
advising in the training community, I sincerely wish the picture was a
bit brighter and more stable.

No sense in painting any other picture.

I do agree with you, considering the overhaul I'm discussing here, that
if this was accomplished, a mass promotion program by the majors could
have positive results within the industry.

What about this.

A test market (geographic area, good weather, solid demographics, etc.),
a regional advertising push, pre-determined training plane inventories,
dedicated teaching staff credentials - a typical franchise with
controls, image, etc. It's a test. nothing set in concrete.

Co-funded by XYZ manufacturer or MFGs.

I hate to keep pushing the negatives on this, but considering all the
factors, coupled with my personal experience working within the
industry, my bottom line if asked for serious comment on the possibility
of success for any co- sponsored effort by the industry to attract a
broad customer base into flight training on a generic level would be
that the negatives would preclude the success of such a program.


--
Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:43:00 -0700 (PDT), Dan
wrote:

On Mar 27, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera wrote:

But the 800 lbs gorilla in the room that no one is mentioning here is
our inate fear of, and the risk posed by, heights. That's probably
the first turn-off for those who bother to consider GA at all.

Most people are nervous about climbing a 20 foot extension ladder, yet
most readily walk up a jetway to fly to Orlando.

I think the perception of height is very different in an airplane than
it is on a ladder, or a roof, or on belay.

My wife hates heights, but has flown. The thing she doesn't like are
the "bumps" that make the airplane feel like it's "falling."


Dan Mc


I notice your omission of the perceived and real risk involved in
light plane operations. Everybody knows those little planes aren't
safe. :-)

On Mar 27, 2:11 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I hate to keep pushing the negatives on this, but considering all the
factors, coupled with my personal experience working within the
industry, my bottom line if asked for serious comment on the possibility
of success for any co- sponsored effort by the industry to attract a
broad customer base into flight training on a generic level would be
that the negatives would preclude the success of such a program.

--
Dudley Henriques

Absolutely.

FakeFlyBoy's comments confirm his inexperience with the subject matter
-- aviation.



Dan

On Mar 27, 1:12 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Add to that "small plane", "no jets" noise, cramped (some) cockpits;
sensory and psychological overload. Regardless of the facts.

Hmm..

perhaps these are clues, clues about why you don't fly?

On Mar 27, 1:06 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Now, are you dying to ask me what I know about strength and power
training athletes? Remember the 10 industries I discussed earlier?
Before you started drinking?

Now I get it -- you're Tony Little -- that explains your long,
rambling, frenetic posts.

How's that infomercial business going?