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Mxsmanic,

I flew last night for several hours.


We've been through this before. And it gets boring. But since many
casual readers might still fall for your lies, here we go again:

There is no conceivable definition of flying that would include what
you do. When you claim to have flown, you blatantly lie. Which further
ruins what little reputation or respect you might have gained at least
with a few people here for the odd interesting question that might be
found among your many posts (talk about SNR...). So, unless you're
really into self-destruction (which, incidentally, I am convinced you
are), why do you do it?

You played. One might go farther and say you simulated flying, but in a
group frequented by pilots, that statement would require the additional
explanation that you simulated it with soft- and hardware not qualified
nor certified for any kind of logging or substitution of actual flying
(which would be a Flight Training Device as defined in the regs).

So, in no way did or do you "fly". Face it! And don't lie anymore to
the people here by pretending otherwise. That is a continuing insult to
the group's intelligence.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes:

No need. YOU do NOT fly.

I flew last night for several hours. Unfortunately, I had an accident
when someone who hadn't bothered to contact the tower decided to take
off on the same runway in the opposite direction. He flew right over
me, I hit the runway, and skidded across the taxiway onto the apron of
Terminal 3. The aircraft was a write-off but my pax and I got out
safely. One of the risks of online simulation is that ill-behaved
pilots will pop into existence on a runway and take-off without ever
even noticing you on short final. Oh well. Thank goodness I had a
spare Baron waiting as back-up.

Yes, you really need your meds adjusted.

No need. YOU do NOT fly.

I flew last night for several hours. Unfortunately, I had an accident
when someone who hadn't bothered to contact the tower decided to take
off on the same runway in the opposite direction. He flew right over
me, I hit the runway, and skidded across the taxiway onto the apron of
Terminal 3. The aircraft was a write-off but my pax and I got out
safely. One of the risks of online simulation is that ill-behaved
pilots will pop into existence on a runway and take-off without ever
even noticing you on short final. Oh well. Thank goodness I had a
spare Baron waiting as back-up.

Yes, you really need your meds adjusted.

Although MX is wrong (again) in not clearly stating that he "flew" in
virtual reality, until you see how realistic a good flight simulator
can be, it's hard to imagine how all-immersing (and real) the
experience can be.

Just last night, my A&P mechanic was "flying" the Kiwi (our flight
simulator at the hotel -- see it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm)
into Martinique. It was simulating a 737 in almost every meaningful
way, and as he skimmed low over the beach, the room was silent. (Last
night was Movie Night at the inn, so there were a few movie-goers
still watching.) Every one of us was holding our breath, waiting for
the wheels to chirp on the runway.

And we only fly patterns and approaches -- a "real" sim pilot will do
the entire flight, from walk around to ATC clearances, to parking. I
don't have the time or patience for that, but the program can easily
(and competently) simulate it.

Microsoft's accomplishment with this program is truly remarkable.
When married with the proper controls and displays, it's very easy to
forget that you're NOT really flying.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:


Although MX is wrong (again) in not clearly stating that he "flew" in
virtual reality, until you see how realistic a good flight simulator
can be, it's hard to imagine how all-immersing (and real) the
experience can be.

Well, you can separate reality from fantasy. You didn't come to this
forum saying something like, "last night I flew my 737 IFR from LAX to
SFO. On the way I buzzed the beach. Today I think I'll do acro in my
P-51." These kind of statements belong on a game newsgroup, which is
where MX should post them. Here they are misleading and OT.

Jay Honeck wrote:
No need. YOU do NOT fly.

I flew last night for several hours. Unfortunately, I had an
accident when someone who hadn't bothered to contact the tower
decided to take off on the same runway in the opposite direction.
He flew right over me, I hit the runway, and skidded across the
taxiway onto the apron of Terminal 3. The aircraft was a write-off
but my pax and I got out safely. One of the risks of online
simulation is that ill-behaved pilots will pop into existence on a
runway and take-off without ever even noticing you on short final.
Oh well. Thank goodness I had a spare Baron waiting as back-up.

Yes, you really need your meds adjusted.

Although MX is wrong (again) in not clearly stating that he "flew" in
virtual reality, until you see how realistic a good flight simulator
can be, it's hard to imagine how all-immersing (and real) the
experience can be.


Jay, we've had this discussion before. MSFS is very pretty and with a set up
like the Kiwi is very immersive. But look at what Anthony wrote and where he
wrote it. It would be like me going into one of the military newsgroups and
saying, "last night I killed 24 Nazi soldiers" because I played Call of
Duty.

Anthony seems to becoming MORE delusional as time goes by. At least in his
earlier posts he didn't say he was actually flying he made the separation
between simming and flying even if it was to say there was no difference.

Jay,

Although MX is wrong (again) in not clearly stating that he "flew" in
virtual reality, until you see how realistic a good flight simulator
can be, it's hard to imagine how all-immersing (and real) the
experience can be.


So what? Is it flying? No, clearly not.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

RomeoMike writes:

Well, you can separate reality from fantasy. You didn't come to this
forum saying something like, "last night I flew my 737 IFR from LAX to
SFO. On the way I buzzed the beach. Today I think I'll do acro in my
P-51." These kind of statements belong on a game newsgroup, which is
where MX should post them. Here they are misleading and OT.

You don't spend much time in simulators, do you?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Anthony seems to becoming MORE delusional as time goes by. At least in his
earlier posts he didn't say he was actually flying he made the separation
between simming and flying even if it was to say there was no difference.

If you examine his posts, you see he carefully chooses inflammatory words,
and his responses are usually completely inappropriate to the topic at hand.

I don't think he's delusional at all. He's very good at what he's doing. He
tosses out subtle insults and waits for the response. He moves from one
newsgroup to another, tossing out his 'bait' and seeing who bites.

If he had a boat, it would be called 'trolling'.

Steve Foley wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

Anthony seems to becoming MORE delusional as time goes by. At least
in his earlier posts he didn't say he was actually flying he made
the separation between simming and flying even if it was to say
there was no difference.

If you examine his posts, you see he carefully chooses inflammatory
words, and his responses are usually completely inappropriate to the
topic at hand.
I don't think he's delusional at all. He's very good at what he's
doing. He tosses out subtle insults and waits for the response. He
moves from one newsgroup to another, tossing out his 'bait' and
seeing who bites.
If he had a boat, it would be called 'trolling'.

I'm going through the phases of MX. At first I just thought he was stupid.
Then I was pretty sure he was just a troll. But I'm really begining to think
he is indeed crazy as a **** house rat.

On Feb 1, 3:35 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
No need. YOU do NOT fly.

I flew last night for several hours. Unfortunately, I had an accident
when someone who hadn't bothered to contact the tower decided to take
off on the same runway in the opposite direction. He flew right over
me, I hit the runway, and skidded across the taxiway onto the apron of
Terminal 3. The aircraft was a write-off but my pax and I got out
safely. One of the risks of online simulation is that ill-behaved
pilots will pop into existence on a runway and take-off without ever
even noticing you on short final. Oh well. Thank goodness I had a
spare Baron waiting as back-up.

Yes, you really need your meds adjusted.

Although MX is wrong (again) in not clearly stating that he "flew" in
virtual reality, until you see how realistic a good flight simulator
can be, it's hard to imagine how all-immersing (and real) the
experience can be.

Just last night, my A&P mechanic was "flying" the Kiwi (our flight
simulator at the hotel -- see it hehttp://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm)
into Martinique. It was simulating a 737 in almost every meaningful
way, and as he skimmed low over the beach, the room was silent. (Last
night was Movie Night at the inn, so there were a few movie-goers
still watching.) Every one of us was holding our breath, waiting for
the wheels to chirp on the runway.

Yep Jay but most of you 'flying' the Kiwi are pilots and the things
pilots see in simulations (as your example above) that relate to their
experiences...
I hope your kiwi has the long beak that ours do :-)