gun discharge in cockpit.

Dan wrote:
On Mar 28, 1:54 am, Roger wrote:

After the fist shot indoors even with a 9mm most people are deaf,
their head/ears are ringing like church bells, you are moving in a
sort of haze and you feel like your head is under water. It is not
like firing on a range wearing hearing protection under calm
conditions.

I've shot in "fun houses" (Urban combat) plenty of times. Once you get
the adrenaline going and you get momentarily deafened by the first
shot, you're good to go. I never expereinced all the physiological
trauma you're talking about with a 9 mm.

And the 9mm isn't even a real gun! :-)

Matt

Dan wrote:
On Mar 28, 5:11 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:
The fact is MOST people who own handguns can't hit the side of a house
over 20 yards -- how do I know this? Spend a day at any range. And
those are the people actually practicing.
Is this house on this fictional firing range, is it 1 foot wide..or
less?

You are actually going to argue that "MOST people who own handguns"
can consistently group within 1' at 20 yards?

I won't argue that as I have no idea speaking from a national
perspective. I don't believe that this isn't true in my neck of the
woods (north central PA). Most folks around here both own guns (several
in many households) and know how to use them. I read once a few years
ago that if the hunters in PA were formed into an army, it would be
something like the 4th largest in the world. :-)

Matt

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

On Mar 28, 5:11 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:
The fact is MOST people who own handguns can't hit the side of a house
over 20 yards -- how do I know this? Spend a day at any range. And
those are the people actually practicing.

Is this house on this fictional firing range, is it 1 foot wide..or
less?

You are actually going to argue that "MOST people who own handguns"
can consistently group within 1' at 20 yards?

I'll be more than happy to show you the target end of any range.

In the meantime try posting something of value.

Dan Mc

A simple question, is this house on this fictional firing range, is it 1
foot wide..or less? Do you have any FACTS other than your lips flapping
of this house or people missing the side of a house, 25 - 50 feet across
from 20 yards consistently?

Of course you don't, My Little Trick Pony. And yes, once again, that IS
your ass I handed you and that is your HAT too.

On Mar 28, 6:50 pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

A simple question, is this house on this fictional firing range, is it 1
foot wide..or less? Do you have any FACTS other than your lips flapping
of this house or people missing the side of a house, 25 - 50 feet across
from 20 yards consistently?

I'll reduce that sample down to one for the sake of argument.

I'm certain that youou, LRRPBoy, cannot print a 1' group at 20 yards.

Didn't you say you were a LRRP? Unit? years? Rank? CO? Which Ranger
School Class? White Thread or no?


Of course you don't, My Little Trick Pony. And yes, once again, that IS
your ass I handed you and that is your HAT too.

Dude, you REALLY need to get out more.


Dan Mc

On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:

I won't argue that as I have no idea speaking from a national
perspective. I don't believe that this isn't true in my neck of the
woods (north central PA). Most folks around here both own guns (several
in many households) and know how to use them. I read once a few years
ago that if the hunters in PA were formed into an army, it would be
something like the 4th largest in the world. :-)

Matt

Damn Straight.

Though Opening Day I find a covered and concealed position -- lots of
rounds going downrange on that day!

You in Erie? I like that area -- except between November and Now --
man is it grey!!


Dan Mc

On Mar 28, 6:14 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:

And the 9mm isn't even a real gun! :-)

Matt

Here we go...

:-)

Actually, I'm downsizing the .40 to a 9mm -- I can shoot twice the
ammo for the price as a 45 and 40, can carry 15-16 rounds per mag, and
the guns are smaller and thus more readily concealed.


All Good things.


Dan Mc

On Mar 28, 6:12 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2008-03-28, Roger wrote:
[home defence]
has such in conjunction with the local gun club. Otherwise a short
barrel 12ga was my suggestion.

A friend of mine in Houston has a pump action shotgun.

One night, a burglar was trying to break into the house - the sound and
sight of a pump action merely being readied for action was enough that
the would be burglar ran for it. This is of course the best outcome -
where a shot doesn't even need to be fired.

True. The rack of a .45 is pretty recognizable as well.

A .45 1911 should be stowed in Condition 1 carry -- hammer back, round
in the chamber, safety on -- in accordance with the 1911 design
intent.

Dan wrote:
On Mar 28, 6:12 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2008-03-28, Roger wrote:
[home defence]
has such in conjunction with the local gun club. Otherwise a short
barrel 12ga was my suggestion.
A friend of mine in Houston has a pump action shotgun.
One night, a burglar was trying to break into the house - the sound and
sight of a pump action merely being readied for action was enough that
the would be burglar ran for it. This is of course the best outcome -
where a shot doesn't even need to be fired.
True. The rack of a .45 is pretty recognizable as well.

A .45 1911 should be stowed in Condition 1 carry -- hammer back, round
in the chamber, safety on -- in accordance with the 1911 design
intent.


That depends on where and why you are stowing it.

Matt

Dan wrote:
On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
I won't argue that as I have no idea speaking from a national
perspective. I don't believe that this isn't true in my neck of the
woods (north central PA). Most folks around here both own guns (several
in many households) and know how to use them. I read once a few years
ago that if the hunters in PA were formed into an army, it would be
something like the 4th largest in the world. :-)

Matt

Damn Straight.

Though Opening Day I find a covered and concealed position -- lots of
rounds going downrange on that day!

You in Erie? I like that area -- except between November and Now --
man is it grey!!


Dan Mc


No, central ... Tioga County. Erie is NW PA.

Dan wrote:
On Mar 28, 6:14 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:

And the 9mm isn't even a real gun! :-)

Matt

Here we go...

:-)

Actually, I'm downsizing the .40 to a 9mm -- I can shoot twice the
ammo for the price as a 45 and 40, can carry 15-16 rounds per mag, and
the guns are smaller and thus more readily concealed.


All Good things.


Dan Mc


Like a famous lawman once said, when I shoot a perp I don't just want to
make him mad, I want to take him down. I consider the .45 to be
marginal as a self-defense round, but my Super Blackhawk is a trifle
unwieldy in close quarters. :-)

However, if I were outside and the perps were hiding behind a car or
such, then I'd take the SA any day. Only 6 shots, but seldom are more
needed if every one does its job.

Matt