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On Aug 12, 8:41*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
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Pilots in IMC quite happily fly by outside reference when a few
hundred feet below or above a cloud deck. There is NO requirement that
one must fly by reference to instruments alone in IMC -- not one! In
order to earn the rating, one must, on the other hand, demonstrate the
ability to fly by reference to instruments alone.

Why do you think that requirement exists for the rating?

The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

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Pilots in IMC quite happily fly by outside reference when a few
hundred feet below or above a cloud deck. There is NO requirement that
one must fly by reference to instruments alone in IMC -- not one! In
order to earn the rating, one must, on the other hand, demonstrate the
ability to fly by reference to instruments alone.

Why do you think that requirement exists for the rating?

You're to stupid to understand the requirement. Now do something useful
for mankind - stick your head back up your ass moron.

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The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

My point (as opposed to the literal statement) was that some pilots think that
they don't have to rely on instruments when stuck in IMC aloft, and that
pilots who think this tend not to be very bright or competent. Arguing
semantics or details versus the general principle does not change this.

On Aug 12, 9:57*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

My point (as opposed to the literal statement) was that some pilots think that
they don't have to rely on instruments when stuck in IMC aloft, and that
pilots who think this tend not to be very bright or competent. *Arguing
semantics or details versus the general principle does not change this.

Words mean things. You wrote what you wrote. Pilots who are not rated
or if rated not current should not be challenging IMC. Those of us who
are find flying in those conditions in many ways easier than flying
under VFR conditions, but hearing a non pilot spout nonsense about the
reality of flying in those conditions is laughable. Read again what
you wrote, then offer your apologetics again.

I notice it's after 10 PM here, so it's 4 AM in Paris, isn't it? Does
your real life not require you to be rested in the morning?

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On Aug 12, 9:57?pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

My point (as opposed to the literal statement) was that some pilots think that
they don't have to rely on instruments when stuck in IMC aloft, and that
pilots who think this tend not to be very bright or competent. ?Arguing
semantics or details versus the general principle does not change this.

Words mean things. You wrote what you wrote. Pilots who are not rated
or if rated not current should not be challenging IMC. Those of us who
are find flying in those conditions in many ways easier than flying
under VFR conditions, but hearing a non pilot spout nonsense about the
reality of flying in those conditions is laughable. Read again what
you wrote, then offer your apologetics again.

I notice it's after 10 PM here, so it's 4 AM in Paris, isn't it? Does
your real life not require you to be rested in the morning?

Real life?



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Jim Pennino

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On Aug 12, 10:10*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

you fly exclusively by instruments in IMC; that's why it is called IMC. *IMC means conditions that
legally require IFR, and IFR means flying by instruments alone.

Anthony, NO, NO, NO! You do not have to fly exclusively by instruments
in IMC. There are often conditions IN LEGAL IMC where on flys by
visual reference.

IFR DOES NOT mean "flying by instruments alone." You are wrong! Show
me where you learned this gibberish if you are so sure about it.

My overall point, in any case, is that you must fly by instruments alone in
IMC and under IFR (landings and take-offs excepted). *Some "pilots" here have
asserted that one must fly visually or by means other than instruments under
IFR in IMC, solely for the purpose of disagreeing with me (I presume),

Anthony, NO, NO, NO! You do NOT have to "fly by instruments alone in
IFR, and sometimes in IMC one flys visually.
The reason they are disagreeing with you is because you are NOT a
pilot, much less an instrument rated pilot (which I am), you do not
fly, you do not know the details of IFR and IMC, and you don't know
what you are talking about.

Ricky

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On Aug 12, 9:57*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt
to divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit --
you've exhausted that one.

My point (as opposed to the literal statement) was that some pilots
think
that
they don't have to rely on instruments when stuck in IMC aloft, and
that pilots who think this tend not to be very bright or competent.
*Arguing semantics or details versus the general principle does not
change this.

Words mean things. You wrote what you wrote. Pilots who are not rated
or if rated not current should not be challenging IMC. Those of us who
are find flying in those conditions in many ways easier than flying
under VFR conditions, but hearing a non pilot spout nonsense about the
reality of flying in those conditions is laughable. Read again what
you wrote, then offer your apologetics again.

I notice it's after 10 PM here, so it's 4 AM in Paris, isn't it? Does
your real life not require you to be rested in the morning?






This is Anthony's only life. He once posted his monthly income. Despite
all his claims to a superior education and skill, his income is less than
what a teen age high school drop out can earn working part time at
McDonalds.

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The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

IMC = Instrument Meteorological Conditions. Pretty much by definition
you'll be on the gauges if you're IMC.

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The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

IMC = Instrument Meteorological Conditions. Pretty much by definition
you'll be on the gauges if you're IMC.

And there's the confusion. If you see the AIM definition of IMC, this may
not be the case.

"INSTRUMENT METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS-
Meteorological conditions expressed in
terms of visibility, distance from cloud, and ceiling
less than the minima specified for visual meteorological
conditions."

There is some room here between VMC and complete loss of outside references
resulting in complete reference to instruments needed.
--
Regards, BobF.

Dale wrote:
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The statement you made was that IMC required flight by reference to
instruments. That is in error. Your question is a very weak attempt to
divert attention from your error. Please, try a new gambit -- you've
exhausted that one.

IMC = Instrument Meteorological Conditions. Pretty much by definition
you'll be on the gauges if you're IMC.

VFR in class E airspace above 10,000 feet is 5 miles visibility.

If visibility is 4.5 miles, you are by defininition in IMC.

Are you always solely on instruments, or is there any reason to be
on instruments at all, with a visibility of 4.5 miles?

VFR in class B, D, D, and E below 10,000 feet is 3 miles.

If visibility is 2.5 miles, you are by defininition in IMC.

Are you always solely on instruments, or is there any reason to be
on instruments at all, with a visibility of 2.5 miles?


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Jim Pennino

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