MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE

One thing I predict that will happen after this MTBE to Ethanol
conversion, is that it'll make ethanol free gas *more* available to
areas not required to have oxygenated gasoline. Basically in areas
where CO pollution level is low. (see
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/oxy2.html)

The reason is simple economics. Those metro areas where ethanol is
mandated either by federal regulation or state law have put a great
demand on ethanal, causing its (already subsidized) wholesale price to
exceed gasoline by more than 50c a gallon. Because ethanol must be
blended into gasoline at the terminal facility, no oil company in their
right mind will try to blend ethanol into gasoline unless it's
absolutely mandated.

For states who are contemplating ethanol blending laws this market
phenomenon should give them pause. In the long run it'll also pierce
the fallacy of ethanol being a practical replacement for gasoline in
this country. Too bad it will take the suffering of about 1/4 of the
country to make this happen.


John wrote:
To those who fly with STCs for motor fuel instead of avgas, is the
phase-out of MTBE affecting you? The federal government hasn't banned
MTBE outright (some individual states have) but will not protect oil
companies from MTBE lawsuits so MTBE is being phased out by next week in
most places. MTBE isn't the issue here, but ethanol is. Ethanol will
be replacing MTBE as an oxygenate and is also being promoted as a
(heavily subsidized) renewable energy mixed with gasoline. MTBE is
under political attack because it has been found in ground water where
gasoline has leaked from tanks.

(Apparently gasoline, benzene, toluene, naphthalene, ethanol, and other
pump gasoline ingredients don't bother people as much when they leak
from the same gasoline tanks, but that is understandable since the human
body can smell or taste MTBE in fare more quantities in drinking water
than these other carcinogenic contaminants.)

Many or most aircraft mogas STCs prohibit gasoline containing ethanol
due to its tendency to attack certain seals, gaskets, and parts in
aircraft fuel tanks, fuel systems, and engines. So for those of you who
use motor fuel in airplanes, is the lack of motor gasoline that doesn't
contain ethanol becoming a problem?

By the way ethanol contains less energy per gallon than gasoline. Enjoy!

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Maybe it's because Martin is rooting for/identifies with, the men of
evil.


I don't think you "get" Marty, at all.


Montblack

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Do you think that same world would retaliate against Iran if they nuked
Israel?

The same world that sits (and sat) by when Israelis' are/were slaughtered?


If I'm advising Iran, my advice would be to make their first strike a good
one - for it will be their last!


Montblack

On 2006-05-03, Matt Barrow wrote:
When there is "legislation to be bough", there's something wrong. After all,
as previously put, they may be 50,000 strong, but that's one small towns
vote.

Generally, in today's climate, you need to spend quite a lot of money to
actually be electable. It's just a fact of life. The companies that
sponsor politicians want something for their money. While it's certainly
true that not every politician has sold out, there is a notable minority
that have sold out - and propose legislation on behalf of their
corporate masters. While it's a minority, the rest of the democratic
process that a bill must go through can certainly get rid of the most
egregious cases.

If this is left to grow unchecked (and thanks to voter apathy, there is
a danger of this) there is a danger you end up with the sort of
democracy that Britain had in the 1700s. If I remember right, some
people in Boston got upset about that and threw their tea in the
harbour. It might be harder this time around though - small arms don't
do all that well against tanks, F-16s and laser guided bombs.

Maybe because those 50,000 are trying to buy their own legislation and the
pols and bureaucrats are more than happy to play both sides. In such cases,
the bureaucrats are the only, and always, the winners.

And democracy gets subverted.

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Maybe it's because Martin is rooting for/identifies with, the men of
evil.

I don't think you "get" Marty, at all.

Perhaps you can explain him, cuz I don't "get" him anymore, either.

For a guy whose family was impacted by Hitler's horrors, he certainly
doesn't appear to have learned a damned thing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Tue, 2 May 2006 23:12:58 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:
If I'm advising Iran, my advice would be to make their first strike a good
one - for it will be their last!

I would advise them to contemplate ****ing glowing camels...

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
On 2006-05-03, Matt Barrow wrote:
When there is "legislation to be bough", there's something wrong. After
all,
as previously put, they may be 50,000 strong, but that's one small towns
vote.

Generally, in today's climate, you need to spend quite a lot of money to
actually be electable. It's just a fact of life.

I give you -- Barry Saunders...and a whole bunch more.

But the point was regarding people already in office.

The companies that
sponsor politicians want something for their money. While it's certainly
true that not every politician has sold out, there is a notable minority
that have sold out - and propose legislation on behalf of their
corporate masters.

Now it's the politicians who are the servants...the point was citizens. I've
already pointed out the consequences of allowing politicians to manipulate
the economy (sans Constitutional authority, it's called "corruption").


Please stop running off on tangents or start a different thread.

While it's a minority, the rest of the democratic
process that a bill must go through can certainly get rid of the most
egregious cases.

If this is left to grow unchecked (and thanks to voter apathy, there is
a danger of this) there is a danger you end up with the sort of
democracy that Britain had in the 1700s.

It's been virtually unchecked since before the US Civil War, and that
accelerated the problem.

by Marissa Bealey Apr 30, 2006 at 11:59 AM



If any of this makes any sense at all to you and you live in Illinois,
keep voting for that guy. If you missed the discussion, I think CNBC will
rerun it tonight.



It makes complete sense to ADM corp., and the corn farmers in IL and IA.

by "Jim Macklin" Apr 29, 2006 at
10:12 AM


Another reason for high prices now, is that some states have
mandated a ratio of E85 to regular petroleum gasoline in
pump sales. But there is a shortage of alcohol so when they
run out of E85 they can't sell straight gasoline. Maybe the
President's lifting the EPA rules will also alter state law,
he is blamed for the shortage, hope he has the power to wave
a magic wand and fix the market shortage of refineries,
distillation plants and political unrest in the world. But
it isn't that easy.
First thing, build more refineries, second nuke IRAN so that
the uncertainty about the future supply will go away. It
will also remind a lot of people that it is better to fight
a nuclear war when only one side has the bomb. We will use
small, 3 to 300 kilo ton deep earth penetrating bombs to
take out the underground hardened factories with minimal
above ground damage or radiation release. As the Fonz said,
"You've got to hit someone every once in a while" to keep
your reputation.


Jim




Until the AOPA's Phil Boyer "takes on" the Iranians and their nuclear
ambitions, nothing will be done. Boyer must realize the potential damage
that nuclear war would have on recreational GA. Why is he silent?

Perhaps he is still quietly mourning the loss of his counterpart in
Australia, killed in a small plane crash recently.....

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

For a guy whose family was impacted by Hitler's horrors, he certainly
doesn't appear to have learned a damned thing.

almost everybody was impacted by the horrors, back then, IMHO. So there is
nothing really special to the situation.

when talking with one person in my family, she is about 70 and lived in a
rather remote area during that time, the one thing I learned from her and
I
hear here saying it like she is standing right here now: "no war, I don't
want a war - it was so awful".

The alternative was?


#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml