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  #151  
Old September 14th 06, 09:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Yeah, but who's counting :-). I hear 50 is the new 30! I figure the
older I get the cooler my toys get.


Amen, sister!

As I approach my 48th birthday, I'm realizing more and more that...um,
er....

*?*

.....What were we talking about again?

;-)
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  #152  
Old September 14th 06, 11:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dave S
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Margy Natalie writes:


Anemia means you have to take iron pills. Not dangerous.



This is incorrect. Anemia affects the ability of the cardiovascular
system to maintain oxygenation of organs and tissues; a person with
anemia is dramatically more prone to altitude sickness and hypoxia in
general. Thus, an anemic person may not be able to safely pilot a
plane. In severe cases, an anemic person may place himself at risk
just by riding in a plane (including pressurized cabins, since they
may still have fairly high cabin altitudes).

Just because the FAA doesn't explicitly disqualify a condition doesn't
mean that it's safe to fly with it.


Anemia is a matter of degrees. If your hemoglobin level is 0.1 mg/dl
lower than that particular lab's reference values for normal levels, you
technically are anemic. An abnormal lab value DOES NOT mean you
automatically manifest clinical symptoms.

As margy said, in women, there are many conditions that can result in
"anemia" that are easily treatable with iron supplementation.

How "dramatic" the effect you are claiming is a function of oxygen
delivery to the tissues, which is multifactorial, not tied SIMPLY to one
value.

Treat the patient, not the number (or the monitor, or the machine, or
the lab value).

Dave
  #153  
Old September 15th 06, 12:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Al[_1_]
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"Emily" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:
snip

My concern is, if he writes this up in my medical records, do I have to
report it to the FAA? I'm really terrified of this.


Yes, you have to report it at your next medical



Even though I don't have depression?! 102 degree fever indicates
infection, no depression (which I don't have anyway). How could a routine
appointment for a fever make me lost my medical? This is the most unfair
thing I've ever encountered, just because of some doctor's incompetence.
He's making something up, because he doesn't want to take the time to find
out what's REALLY wrong. I'm sorry, but seeing a patient for two minutes
does not qualify anyone to diagnos depression...and the fact that I don't
have it means a lot.

And to take this farther, how do I keep a doctor from writing all sorts of
bogus things in my records? Fever and fatigue also are symptoms of AIDS,
what if he's written THAT? See what I'm saying?



Somebody will come up with the exact wording, but as I remember it does ask
"Do you have", "Have you had", and "Have you been treated for". In your
case the answer is no to all questions. DO NOT accept a prescription for
anti-depressants.

I've recently been through this with my AME, the FAA, and a depression
diagnosis. The were only interested if I had been taking medications, which
I had. After a couple of months off the meds, and with a special issuance
2nd class for a year, I'm back in business.

Being depressed and being a pilot is not unusual, and not illegal.
Chemically doing something about it will get you grounded.

Al G


  #154  
Old September 15th 06, 01:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Grumman-581 wrote:
"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Yeah, but who's counting :-). I hear 50 is the new 30! I figure the
older I get the cooler my toys get.



Sounds like you need new batteries... dirty-old-man-grin



Why would that be? sweet, innocent, young thing bats lashes

Margy
  #155  
Old September 15th 06, 02:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Dave S writes:

Anemia is a matter of degrees. If your hemoglobin level is 0.1 mg/dl
lower than that particular lab's reference values for normal levels, you
technically are anemic. An abnormal lab value DOES NOT mean you
automatically manifest clinical symptoms.


But it is also possible to have no clinical symptoms on the ground,
and yet show severe symptoms at altitude.

How "dramatic" the effect you are claiming is a function of oxygen
delivery to the tissues, which is multifactorial, not tied SIMPLY to one
value.


Whatever the factors involved, flying while anemic is not a good idea.
You don't want to find out that you have the wrong combination of
factors by passing out at 5000 feet.

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  #156  
Old September 15th 06, 02:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Montblack writes:

Maybe big, better, security also comes with bigger, better, data-base
computer networks.


Unfortunately, the latter often (usually) comes without the former.

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  #157  
Old September 15th 06, 02:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Emily wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

Emily wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

Emily wrote:

Morgans wrote:

Then see a doctor who is. I doubt that she will concur with this

armchair diagnosis of depression. Better yet, find an AME who
is also
a psychiatrist, if such exist.



That is actually very bad advice to those pilots who value their
medical
certificate. A real pilot knows not to place the
responsibilities of
normal healthcare in the hands of the same doctor who signs one's
medical
certificate.




Once again, Mxsm shows that he is clueless. What is he now, 0 out
of 100?

Sheesh!




What *I* think is funny is that he writes as if every word out of
his mouth is gospel.

I mean, seriously, how is a sim player qualified to give anyone
advice on their medical? He gave very dangerous information and I
can only hope that no inexperienced student pilot believes his advice.



How is the information he gave dangerous?

Matt



You think it's a good idea for a student pilot to take his advice?
It's irresponsible to put information out there like that.



I don't see how having two doctors rather than one is dangerous
advice, student pilot or otherwise. That appears to be the essence of
his recommendation above.

Matt



I was replying to a post by Mxsm in where he said I should see an AME
about this.


I still don't see how that is dangerous. Not good advice, but hardly
dangerous.

Matt
  #158  
Old September 15th 06, 04:01 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay B
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I am glad you aren't diagnosing me as paranoid, would have had to
report it on the ol' 8500-9 at the next medical :-)

--Sylvain


Unfortunately, that seems to be the crux of the problem that Emily is
facing.

It's the "Have you ever been diagonsed..." that is a prickly issue.

Jay B

  #159  
Old September 15th 06, 04:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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Nawh, you'll talk to him again... You're a woman and as such are
genetically
predisposed to not be able to pass up an opportunity to tell a man that he
is wrong (whether or not that really in the case does not matter)...


If a man talks in the woods and there is nobody there to hear him,
is he still wrong?


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Old September 15th 06, 05:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily[_1_]
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Margy Natalie wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Emily writes:


First, I'll bet my life they will show anemia, which should make
him happy that he has a diagnosis ...



Anemia will make it dangerous for you to fly. You don't want that.

Anemia means you have to take iron pills. Not dangerous. BTW anemia in
women is NOT considered the major problem it is in men.

Margy


Exactly. I know what causes my anemia (what woman doesn't?) and it's
very well controlled if I take a multivitamin. I'm also aware that I
feel hypoxia earlier tha most, and fly accordingly.
 




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