Flight to Florida -- The Cure for Winter

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:JFEIj.45633$f8.28894
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Jay Maynard wrote in
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On 2008-04-01, Dan wrote:
The XM weather issue is a big deal to me -- more and more are
flying
XC with this gear without having any clue of the limitations -- and
the manufacturers/service providers are certainly not going to
educate
the ignorant on the product's weaknesses.

Every pilot should consider ALL data with skepticism -- whether
it's
from FSS, Center, XM, or StormScope.

I don't think Jay was advocating this at all. What he was advocating
was
adding it to the VFR pilot's toolkit, and I see nothing at all wrong
with
that.

Jay's entire being is resistant to common sense. I see guys like him
all
the time, expecting radio shack to give them a short cut around
actually
developing some sort of craftlike approach to flying. I feel like
smacking them much as one wants to give an 11 year old with a
cigarette
behind his ear a smack on the back of the head.



Yeah, or an over the hill has been with a keyboard.


OK, I actually reckoned you were just a jerkoff posting crap between
downloading pr0n, but if you say so.

BTW, you don't think you're actually annoying me or anything, do you?
I'm just curious. I'm interested in how lower life forms think. Prolly
should ask the pet tortoise, he's a bit more articulate than you.

Bertie

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:nEEIj.45632$f8.18322
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Max" luv2^fly^99@cox.^net wrote in
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You two need to get with Evelyn Wood for either a refund or a
refresher. Your reading speeds seem ok, but your comprehension
skills
suck worse than your attitudes.


My comnprehension is perfect. It's the poasts that are defective.



Have another drink.




Oh no! You sunk my battleship!


Bertie

I was simply going by your statement above "Before we had it, we would
have stayed in Pensacola." That sounds like using it for preflight
planning to me. :-)

No, it sounds like with it, he knew the trends once launched (with the
preflight briefing) would be proven, disproven, and made more clear with
the 496's added input.

You got it, Jim.

I've been making transcontinental VFR flights in light singles for 13 years
now. We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, and all points in
between -- and I'm here to tell you that three technological advancements
have changed EVERYTHING in that relatively short period:

1. ANR headsets.
2. GPS
3. XM weather

ANR is more than just a comfort enhancement, since arriving over your
destination airport fresh is truly a safety enhancement.

GPS gives you situational and positional awareness that greatly enhances
flight safety. (And, of course, the new GPS's have all sorts of other
features, from taxi diagrams to restaurant information.)

XM weather allows you to view and assess weather that is far over the
horizon, hours ahead of your flight path. On a 5-hour cross country
flight, the ability to view and assess trends along your route of flight is
incredible.

Sadly, it's not just a couple of Luddites on this group that pooh-pooh the
use of technology. I have personally known pilots who make fun of
"techno-pilots" -- although they are becoming fewer, as their numbers
dwindle over time.

'Twas ever thus, I fear. Remember, early pilots resisted enclosing the
aircraft cockpits, demanding that they feel the wind in their face to be
able to better "assess conditions". Each advance has been met with
skepticism, but ultimately common sense prevails.

Resistance to change seems to be ingrained in our DNA, but anyone who
disputes these enhancements to flight safety -- or, worse, denies their use
as a "crutch" -- is truly doing GA a disservice.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote

I was simply going by your statement above "Before we had it, we would
have stayed in Pensacola." That sounds like using it for preflight
planning to me. :-)

No, it sounds like with it, he knew the trends once launched (with the
preflight briefing) would be proven, disproven, and made more clear with
the 496's added input.
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:RBMIj.102634$yE1.26106@attbi_s21:

I was simply going by your statement above "Before we had it, we
would have stayed in Pensacola." That sounds like using it for
preflight planning to me. :-)

No, it sounds like with it, he knew the trends once launched (with
the preflight briefing) would be proven, disproven, and made more
clear with the 496's added input.

You got it, Jim.

I've been making transcontinental VFR flights in light singles for 13
years now. We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, and all
points in between -- and I'm here to tell you that three technological
advancements have changed EVERYTHING in that relatively short period:

1. ANR headsets.
2. GPS
3. XM weather

ANR is more than just a comfort enhancement, since arriving over your
destination airport fresh is truly a safety enhancement.

GPS gives you situational and positional awareness that greatly
enhances flight safety. (And, of course, the new GPS's have all
sorts of other features, from taxi diagrams to restaurant
information.)

XM weather allows you to view and assess weather that is far over the
horizon, hours ahead of your flight path. On a 5-hour cross country
flight, the ability to view and assess trends along your route of
flight is incredible.

Sadly, it's not just a couple of Luddites on this group that pooh-pooh
the use of technology. I have personally known pilots who make fun of
"techno-pilots" -- although they are becoming fewer, as their numbers
dwindle over time.

'Twas ever thus, I fear. Remember, early pilots resisted enclosing
the aircraft cockpits, demanding that they feel the wind in their face
to be able to better "assess conditions". Each advance has been met
with skepticism, but ultimately common sense prevails.

Resistance to change seems to be ingrained in our DNA, but anyone who
disputes these enhancements to flight safety -- or, worse, denies
their use as a "crutch" -- is truly doing GA a disservice.



Bull****.


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote

I've been making transcontinental VFR flights in light singles for 13
years
now. We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, and all points in
between -- and I'm here to tell you that three technological advancements
have changed EVERYTHING in that relatively short period:

1. ANR headsets.
2. GPS
3. XM weather

Which XM gear do you use?

Which XM gear do you use?

After much research, I settled on the Garmin 496.

I don't like it much -- it's painfully slow to slew, has a tiny, muddy
screen, is oriented incorrectly (landscape rather than portrait) -- but it
was the best weather choice two years ago.

Now, I'd look at this: http://www.aviationsafety.com/fl_190.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Which XM gear do you use?

After much research, I settled on the Garmin 496.

I don't like it much -- it's painfully slow to slew, has a tiny, muddy
screen, is oriented incorrectly (landscape rather than portrait) -- but
it was the best weather choice two years ago.

Now, I'd look at this: http://www.aviationsafety.com/fl_190.htm

The big negative of that one is that the XM Wx requires a separate box
and the associated wires. Oh, and no XM radio.

On 2008-04-02, Jay Honeck wrote:
Sadly, it's not just a couple of Luddites on this group that pooh-pooh the
use of technology. I have personally known pilots who make fun of
"techno-pilots" -- although they are becoming fewer, as their numbers
dwindle over time.

I've never understood this. I also set out to make N55ZC as well-equipped,
with lots of whiz-bang techno-wizardry, as I could get. Yes, I understand
full well that it all comes down to flying the airplane as safely as I can.
The gadgetry helps me do that. It won't take the place of sound judgment, or
good piloting skills, but I'm not expecting it to.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On Apr 2, 10:19 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Sadly, it's not just a couple of Luddites on this group that pooh-pooh the
use of technology. I have personally known pilots who make fun of
"techno-pilots" -- although they are becoming fewer, as their numbers
dwindle over time.

You have no idea what I was talking about when I critiqued your
approach, do you Jay?


'Twas ever thus, I fear. Remember, early pilots resisted enclosing the
aircraft cockpits, demanding that they feel the wind in their face to be
able to better "assess conditions". Each advance has been met with
skepticism, but ultimately common sense prevails.

I say again -- any pilot who launches completely reliant on technology
is an NTSB report in the making.

EVERYTHING needs to be checked and double checked, and all displays on
the screen need to be checked against forecasts, windscreen view, and
expectations (The dewpoint spread is close -- so why is it clear
here?)


Resistance to change seems to be ingrained in our DNA, but anyone who
disputes these enhancements to flight safety -- or, worse, denies their use
as a "crutch" -- is truly doing GA a disservice.

You need to re-read what you wrote and my replies -- you are
backpedaling and thereby contradicting yourself, and in the process
ignoring or worse not understanding what I wrote.

You can claim to be the champion of technology all you want, but if
your behavior is consistent with your words you are at the least
inconsistent, at worst -- a hazard.


Dan Mc

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:05:34 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-04-02, Jay Honeck wrote:
Sadly, it's not just a couple of Luddites on this group that pooh-pooh the
use of technology. I have personally known pilots who make fun of
"techno-pilots" -- although they are becoming fewer, as their numbers
dwindle over time.

I've never understood this. I also set out to make N55ZC as well-equipped,
with lots of whiz-bang techno-wizardry, as I could get. Yes, I understand
full well that it all comes down to flying the airplane as safely as I can.

Let's see, where does the list begin.

Jealousy
Technology-challenged
Lack Of Funds
Old Dawg, No New Anything Mentality
Jealousy

Did I say jealousy?