Landing without flaps

On Mar 7, 6:54 am, Dan wrote:
On Mar 6, 10:43 pm, "Maxwell" luv^2^fly^99@^cox.^net wrote:



Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing Jim. I think the Air Force had "other"
reasons for passing on the sheep.

Now we just have to wonder if Dan really wanted them for mowing the grass.

I'm not from Iowa, where men are men and sheep are scared....

That's Timmins

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
.. .
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message

...

On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off involved a
single engine airplane and a primary student. No competent instructor
does this REGARDLESS of the runway remaining.
The fact that you are actually defending this idiotic and incompetent
procedure is all I need to support my initial judgment of you as a
CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know it all"
and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of what I see from
others (Ken Tucker excepted of course) concerning your judgment on
this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted? Obviously
you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the mixture. It wasn't the
mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I take on
this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that particular
maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as long as
the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from someone known
as
buttman?

Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a blowhard who
is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the help of
this group in preparing myself for something I thought my students
could benefit from. The only thing people wanted to do was act self-
righteous, which is exactly what you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR

wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe you are
wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be able to entertain
the idea that there are people on this forum who know more than you do.
So far I see not one supporter for your idiotic assertions.
Good God man, get out of the CFI business before you kill some innocent
student.

--
Dudley Henriques

If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots, then maybe
it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in my office

Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to CFI's

of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've never
come across an instructor who not only does what this guy claims to do
with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks the pilots
correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope it
doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like this is
that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off the pilots
who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the hangar and
never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques

This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this one,
but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take off? If
you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they should
be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS. Do you
not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the handle
when suggesting doing it in a single.

On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:



Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
.. .
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message

...

On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off involved a
single engine airplane and a primary student. No competent instructor
does this REGARDLESS of the runway remaining.
The fact that you are actually defending this idiotic and incompetent
procedure is all I need to support my initial judgment of you as a
CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know it all"
and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of what I see from
others (Ken Tucker excepted of course) concerning your judgment on
this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted? Obviously
you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the mixture. It wasn't the
mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I take on
this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that particular
maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as long as
the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from someone known
as
buttman?

Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a blowhard who
is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the help of
this group in preparing myself for something I thought my students
could benefit from. The only thing people wanted to do was act self-
righteous, which is exactly what you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR

wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe you are
wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be able to entertain
the idea that there are people on this forum who know more than you do.
So far I see not one supporter for your idiotic assertions.
Good God man, get out of the CFI business before you kill some innocent
student.

--
Dudley Henriques

If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots, then maybe
it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in my office

Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to CFI's

of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've never
come across an instructor who not only does what this guy claims to do
with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks the pilots
correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope it
doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like this is
that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off the pilots
who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the hangar and
never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques

This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this one,
but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take off? If
you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they should
be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS. Do you
not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the handle
when suggesting doing it in a single.

I agree with Mr. Buttman, provided the student has been
briefed.
Heres why : I've read *unexplained* crashes following
Take-Off. Could be a mouse (not a moose unless your
from Timmins), bird, rag from last overhaul, gets sucked
into the carb at full power and max suction.
We're supposed to be trained to handle a ****ed engine
at any time in the flight and a thoughtful pilot should
review that procedure at warm-up, maybe on the checklist.
Ken

buttman wrote in
:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
.. .
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message

news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups
.com...

On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support my
initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know
it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of
what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of course)
concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I
take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that
particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as
long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from someone
known as
buttman?

Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I thought
my students could benefit from. The only thing people wanted to
do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what you're
continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR

wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum who
know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for your
idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI business
before you kill some innocent student.

--
Dudley Henriques

If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office

Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's

of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've never
come across an instructor who not only does what this guy claims to
do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks the pilots
correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like this
is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off the
pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques

This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this one,
but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take off? If
you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they should
be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS. Do you
not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.



I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get below VMC
during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:



Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
.. .
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message

news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegrou
ps.com...

On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?

Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing people
wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what
you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR

wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.

--
Dudley Henriques

If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office

Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's

of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques

This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they
should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS.
Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the
handle when suggesting doing it in a single.

I agree with Mr. Buttman, =

As if anty moreproof were needed tha buttman is a complete tit.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:



Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegrou
ps.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing people
wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what
you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.
--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they
should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS.
Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the
handle when suggesting doing it in a single.
I agree with Mr. Buttman, =

As if anty moreproof were needed tha buttman is a complete tit.


Bertie

You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups
.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support my
initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know
it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of
what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of course)
concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I
take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that
particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as
long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from someone
known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I thought
my students could benefit from. The only thing people wanted to
do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what you're
continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum who
know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for your
idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI business
before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've never
come across an instructor who not only does what this guy claims to
do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks the pilots
correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like this
is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off the
pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this one,
but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take off? If
you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they should
be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS. Do you
not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.



I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get below VMC
during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie






We lost an MEI and his student both at KILG in a Baron doing just this.


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
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:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups
.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support my
initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know
it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of
what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of course)
concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I
take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that
particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as
long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I thought
my students could benefit from. The only thing people wanted
to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what you're
continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times,
I do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were
to be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest
they should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the
PTS. Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because
one thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.



I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get below
VMC during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie






We lost an MEI and his student both at KILG in a Baron doing just
this.



Always hated doing takeoff cuts no matter which method, but I always
used the throttle in any case. My boss did not and we had one idiot who
liked to do feathered landings and crashed ( they walked away from it,
though)
We used to do V1 cuts in jets for training, but not anymore. It can be
hairy as hell in some airplanes and quite a few have rolled over and
crashed in training. So now, if we don't do a zero time thingie, we just
do three touch and goes for certifiaction, but even this is dying out.


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))

Don't get me wrong, I think students need to get to see cetain things, but
taknig chances that are just completely unnnecesary is just.. stupid..


bertie

On Mar 7, 11:24 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegrou
ps.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing people
wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what
you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.
--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they
should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS.
Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the
handle when suggesting doing it in a single.
I agree with Mr. Buttman, =

As if anty moreproof were needed tha buttman is a complete tit.

Bertie

You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))
Dudley Henriques

Dud, you've never been in an airplane, and you're
NOT an instructor. I'm a prof teacher and I can
sniff your bad **** off the net, you're a phony!

Mr. Buttman (appropriately) raised the question
of engine failure at rotation or ascent, I'd like him
as an instructor. Why, because he's strict.
As a prof teacher, I happen to know that a suggested
lesson should be weighed by it's merits by his peers,
and you "dud" are not near in his class, otherwise
you would have discussed the issue of anomally
in that T-O circumstance.
And that's how I know the "dud" is a web-phony.

"dud" is CHECKMATED by
Ken S. Tucker
PS: Now predicably "dud" or his "bertie" sidekick
will engage in the usual name calling, to avoid the
issue.