Crab, slips, and crossed controls

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| | | On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
| | | Are there churches where
| | | stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
civic
| | | organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
form?
| | |
| | | Obviously.
| | | And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every
post
| | |
| | | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
toot
| my
| | own
| | | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| could
| | | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
dare
| I
| | say
| | | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are
not
| your
| | | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| overwhelming
| | you
| | | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order
to
| kiss
| | the
| | | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| | speculate.
| | |
| |
| | No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober
up,
| and
| | reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| |
| |
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"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| | Since you reuse them so often, you should just label your posts.
| |
| | For instance, you could call that one, Maxie's moronic retort #12.
That
| way
| | you could just post the number and it wouldn't take you half an hour
to
| | respond to each and every one of Bertie's posts in each thread.
| |
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| What's the matter wanna boi, am I picking on your hero?
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| I'm not sure how a ****-ant like you could actually pick on anyone,
Okie.
| I'm just using you as a punching bag, as usual.
|

Sure you are, wanna be.

It took you all of two tries to come up with that intellectual marvel, Okie.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | Amine wrote in news:18e46a13-6294-4b68-9775-
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| | Hey,
| |
| | Some of you may have heard of Air Canada 143
| [http://www.youtube.com/
| | watch?v=dfJIpA2gv1g] which ran out of fuel in mid air and had to
| make
| | an emergency descent at velocities way above the normal limits.
The
| | pilot's makeshift technique was to engage a sideslip to
decelerate
| the
| | aircraft (which by then had no flaps, and only minimal
hydraulics).
| |
| | Now I thought that sideslips (and crabs--whatever the difference
| | between the two is...) were only to be used to handle
crosswinds.
| |
| | They're different and they aren't just used for crosswinds.
| |
| |
| | I
| | didn't read anywhere that they could be used to bleed excessive
| speed,
| | although it makes sense from an aerodynamics perspective. Anyone
| out
| | there used sideslips for anything other than crosswind
approaches?
| |
| | PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| | emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143
seems
| the
| | only one to have used the sideslip.
| |
| |
| |
| | it isn't.
| |
| |
| | Bertie
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You do a good job of being stupid.




Thenkew

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| |a wrote in
| | news:0adc0f44-ea01-4a7a-ac08-9781be5aeb54
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| |
| | On Sep 24, 12:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| | Ari wrote
| | innews:6jv4u2F59v
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| | On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
| | wrote:
| |
| | Stefan wrote in
| | . ch:
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| | Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| |
| | You're full of ****, stefan.
| |
| | Still better than completely hollow like you.
| |
| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| | aerodynamically identical have different references.
| |
| | Of course they have different references... visual references,
| | that is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you
| | look slightly to one side. I'm fully aware that this
| | difference is enough for simple minded like you to think they
| | are two different maneuvres.
| |
| | Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| |
| | Bertie
| |
| | Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he
| | failed to inform me that the rudder system is different from
| | conventional aircraft in both design and performance. In most
| | aircraft the rudder pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on
| | one rudder pedal causes a corresponding movement in the opposite
| | (upward) direction of the other.
| |
| | LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center
| | stick."
| |
| | Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
| | pedals. lol
| |
| | I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity
| | operate independent from each other,what I they failed to notice
| | is that much of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder
| | deployment is ****faced gone. Push one rudder pedal in the
| | Velocity and the other remains motionless. Cessna and Piper
| | pilots like me learn to rest both feet on the rudder pedals to
| | get a feel for the rudder position. Transferring this habit to
| | the Velocity invites a common mistake V the unintentional
| | deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
| |
| | I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| |
| | Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
| | going to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe
| | it works the same way. You can use both together as a speed brake,
| | yes?
| |
| | Bertie
| |
| | Do those fins deploy in only one direction -- ie,outward, or inward
| | -- and are spring loaded to neutral? Is the change in the
| | airplane's axis pointing direction just caused by the drag increase
| | when one side or the other is deployed? It looks to me almost like
| | the way the MU aircraft used spoilers on top of the wings instead
| | of ailerons (I think).
| |
| |
| | Well, that's the way i understood it, but I've never flown one..
| |
| |
| | Bertie
| |
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| We could apparently write a book about things you have never ACTUALLY
| done.
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| Yep, you could, lamerboi.
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| Who's that "we" again, BTW?
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| Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | Ari wrote in
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| | On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| |
| | Stefan wrote in
| | :
| |
| | Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
| |
| | You're full of ****, stefan.
| |
| | Still better than completely hollow like you.
| |
| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| | aerodynamically identical have different references.
| |
| | Of course they have different references... visual references,
| that
| | is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look
| slightly
| | to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
| | simple minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| |
| |
| | Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| |
| | Bertie
| |
| | Bert, first time Little Luke took me up in his Velocity, he failed
| to
| | inform me that the rudder system is different from ¡§conventional¡¨
| | aircraft in both design and performance. In most aircraft the
| rudder
| | pedals are interconnected. Pushing down on one rudder pedal causes
| a
| | corresponding movement in the opposite (upward) direction of the
| | other.
| |
| | LL says to me, let's slip this baby home. Taje the center stick."
| |
| | Uh, like first of all, I'm not LHanded. Then I find the rudder
| pedals.
| | lol
| |
| | I was quick to note that the rudder pedals in the Velocity operate
| | independent from each other,what I they failed to notice is that
| much
| | of the sensory feedback with respect to rudder deployment is
| ****faced
| | gone. Push one rudder pedal in the Velocity and the other remains
| | motionless. Cessna and Piper pilots like me learn to rest both feet
| on
| | the rudder pedals to get a ¡§feel¡¨ for the rudder position.
| | Transferring this habit to the Velocity invites a common mistake ¡V
| | the unintentional deployment of one (or both!) rudder(s) in flight.
| |
| | I passed the slip back to Little Puker.
| |
| | Yes, I've heard about this feature in that type of airplane. I'm
| going
| | to get a chance to fly a Long Eze pretty soon and I believe it works
| the
| | same way. You can use both together as a speed brake, yes?
| |
| | Berti
|
| Let us know when, so we can hide in our bunkers.
|
|
|
| Best get hiding, fjukkktard
|
|
| Bertie

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| | Stefan wrote in
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| | Bertie the Bunyip schrieb:
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| | You're full of ****, stefan.
| |
| | Still better than completely hollow like you.
| |
| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| | aerodynamically identical have different references.
| |
| | Of course they have different references... visual references, that
| | is: In one, you look straight ahead, in the other, you look slightly
| | to one side. I'm fully aware that this difference is enough for
simple
| | minded like you to think they are two different maneuvres.
| |
| |
| | Yeah, right backpedaling boi.
| |
| |
| | Bertie
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| No he's not.
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| Thank you.
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| Bertie

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| | "Vaughn Simon" wrote in
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| | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| | aerodynamically identical have different references.
| |
| | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| | forever
| | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| | definition you wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions
| | like this, I keep an old copy of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf.
| | I found it interesting that Wolfgang apparently found no need to
| | make a distinction; regardless if done for glidepath control or
| | landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| |
| | Mmm, cept Stefan the cheese nazi has no intention of discussing
| | anythign.
| |
| |
| | Bertie
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| Bull****, lamer. You're the one with CDD..
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| Uh, yeh. OK lamerboi.
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| Bertie

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| | "Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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| | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | |
| | | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| | | aerodynamically identical have different references.
| | |
| | | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
| | | forever
| | | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| | | definition
| | you
| | | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
| keep
| | | an
| | old copy
| | | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| | | Wolfgang apparently found no need to make a distinction;
| regardless
| | | if done for
| | glidepath
| | | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both "sideslips".
| | |
| | | Go figure.
| | |
| | | Vaughn
| | |
| | |
| |
| | Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
| |
| | Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
| |
| | Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
| |
| | What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
| | seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
| |
| |
| |
| | What's this "we" ****, wannabe boi?
| |
| |
| |
| | Bertie
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| You and your ignorant sock puppets.
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| | | | "george" wrote in message
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| | | | On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
| | | | Are there churches where
| | | | stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
| civic
| | | | organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
| form?
| | | |
| | | | Obviously.
| | | | And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your
every
| post
| | | |
| | | | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
| toot
| | my
| | | own
| | | | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my
posts
| | could
| | | | definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
| dare
| | I
| | | say
| | | | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are
| not
| | your
| | | | forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| | overwhelming
| | | you
| | | | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in
order
| to
| | kiss
| | | the
| | | | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can
only
| | | speculate.
| | | |
| | |
| | | No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever
sober
| up,
| | and
| | | reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| | |
| | |
| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy...hcraft-GB1.jpg
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| | http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army...ierva-C30A.jpg
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| http://www.historicaircraft.org/Gold...eronca-PC3.jpg
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| | "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
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| | "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| | | "george" wrote in message
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| news:31d3b022-0e9a-4850-ba28-bd1501de4cd6
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| | | On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
| | | Are there churches where
| | | stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and
| | | civic organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art
| | | form?
| | |
| | | Obviously.
| | | And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every
| | | post
| | |
| | | Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to
| | | toot my
| | own
| | | horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| | | could definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader,
| | | and dare I
| | say
| | | humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor are not
| | | your forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is so
| overwhelming
| | you
| | | would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order
| | | to
| kiss
| | the
| | | arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| | speculate.
| | |
| |
| | No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober
| | up,
| and
| | reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.
| |
| | http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy...es/Beechcraft-
| GB1.jp
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