Landing without flaps

On Mar 8, 8:49 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote :



You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))

Don't get me wrong, I think students need to get to see cetain things, but
taknig chances that are just completely unnnecesary is just.. stupid..


The moment I saw the 'pulling mixture on takeoff to simulate engine
failure' I knew the claimant is another Anthony.
How do we shut down?
By leaning the engine right out with the mixture control.
To do so upon takeoff during such a crucial part of flight is going to
eventually kill a student and the instructor.

His other claim about 'pulling' the fuel reinforces the fact that he
knows nothing about flying.

The term was and is 'selecting' as in selecting left tank, right tank
and selecting off which will stop the engine through fuel starvation
and again kill a student and instructor..

The tried and true method of demonstrating engine failure on take off
is by reducing power via throttle just the same as engine failure
training at altitude.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 11:24 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student.
No competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the
stance I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support"
doing that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the
fuel valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done
safely as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit
the help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing
people wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is
exactly what you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this
afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or
believe you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't
seem to be able to entertain the idea that there are people on
this forum who know more than you do. So far I see not one
supporter for your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out
of the CFI business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young
pilots, then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and
hang it in my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed
to CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong,
attacks the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only
hope it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling
off the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back
to the hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the
shed for. If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.
--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million
times, I do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the
engine on takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions
were to be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest
they should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of
the PTS. Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because
one thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious
how you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off
the handle when suggesting doing it in a single.
I agree with Mr. Buttman, =

As if anty moreproof were needed tha buttman is a complete tit.

Bertie

You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like
arguing these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who
advocates starving an engine on take off to "teach his students
properly" To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))
Dudley Henriques

Dud, you've never been in an airplane, and you're
NOT an instructor. I'm a prof teacher and I can
sniff your bad **** off the net, you're a phony!

Mr. Buttman (appropriately) raised the question
of engine failure at rotation or ascent, I'd like him
as an instructor. Why, because he's strict.
As a prof teacher, I happen to know that a suggested
lesson should be weighed by it's merits by his peers,
and you "dud" are not near in his class, otherwise
you would have discussed the issue of anomally
in that T-O circumstance.
And that's how I know the "dud" is a web-phony.

"dud" is CHECKMATED by
Ken S. Tucker
PS: Now predicably "dud" or his "bertie" sidekick
will engage in the usual name calling, to avoid the
issue.


Yeh, right, fjukktard..

Happy?

Bertie

george wrote in
:

On Mar 8, 8:49 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote
:



You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like
arguing these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who
advocates starving an engine on take off to "teach his students
properly" To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))

Don't get me wrong, I think students need to get to see cetain
things, but taknig chances that are just completely unnnecesary is
just.. stupid..


The moment I saw the 'pulling mixture on takeoff to simulate engine
failure' I knew the claimant is another Anthony.


Actualy, some instructors are that dumb..


How do we shut down?
By leaning the engine right out with the mixture control.
To do so upon takeoff during such a crucial part of flight is going to
eventually kill a student and the instructor.

His other claim about 'pulling' the fuel reinforces the fact that he
knows nothing about flying.

The term was and is 'selecting' as in selecting left tank, right tank
and selecting off which will stop the engine through fuel starvation
and again kill a student and instructor..

The tried and true method of demonstrating engine failure on take off
is by reducing power via throttle just the same as engine failure
training at altitude.


It's the only way I did it unless the POH dicated otherwise..


Bertie

On Mar 7, 1:02 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))
Dudley Henriques

Dud, you've never been in an airplane, and you're
NOT an instructor. I'm a prof teacher and I can
sniff your bad **** off the net, you're a phony!

Mr. Buttman (appropriately) raised the question
of engine failure at rotation or ascent, I'd like him
as an instructor. Why, because he's strict.
As a prof teacher, I happen to know that a suggested
lesson should be weighed by it's merits by his peers,
and you "dud" are not near in his class, otherwise
you would have discussed the issue of anomally
in that T-O circumstance.
And that's how I know the "dud" is a web-phony.

"dud" is CHECKMATED by
Ken S. Tucker
PS: Now predicably "dud" or his "bertie" sidekick
will engage in the usual name calling, to avoid the
issue.

I agree with you 100%. If you read through his posts in this thread,
all you'll see is him insulting me, and nothing more. The reason he
won't post anything else, is because he can't. He has no idea what
he's talking about, ever.

I've knows this Dudley guy to be nothing but a fraud for years now.
The only thing that bothers me is that more people on this group don't
seem to realize this

buttman wrote in news:6bccb7b0-2953-4281-a851-
:


"dud" is CHECKMATED by
Ken S. Tucker
PS: Now predicably "dud" or his "bertie" sidekick
will engage in the usual name calling, to avoid the
issue.

I agree with you 100%. If you read through his posts in this thread,
all you'll see is him insulting me, and nothing more. The reason he
won't post anything else, is because he can't. He has no idea what
he's talking about, ever.

I've knows this Dudley guy to be nothing but a fraud for years now.
The only thing that bothers me is that more people on this group don't
seem to realize this


Kook wedding!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
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:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support my
initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a "know
it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the face of
what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of course)
concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance I
take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing that
particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely as
long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I thought
my students could benefit from. The only thing people wanted
to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what you're
continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times,
I do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were
to be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest
they should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the
PTS. Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because
one thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.


I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get below
VMC during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie






We lost an MEI and his student both at KILG in a Baron doing just
this.



Always hated doing takeoff cuts no matter which method, but I always
used the throttle in any case. My boss did not and we had one idiot who
liked to do feathered landings and crashed ( they walked away from it,
though)
We used to do V1 cuts in jets for training, but not anymore. It can be
hairy as hell in some airplanes and quite a few have rolled over and
crashed in training. So now, if we don't do a zero time thingie, we just
do three touch and goes for certifiaction, but even this is dying out.


Bertie
When this idiot buttman or whatever he is first posted on this takeoff
issue he wasn't talking multi-engine at all, but rather a single with a
primary student. Even in the multi sense he has never once even
mentioned zero thrusting an engine.
The bottom line is that what he was initially discussing here on this
forum was shutting down fuel on a single on takeoff with a primary
student based on the "logic" that he had enough runway ahead of him to
make that a safe procedure.
NO instructor should EVER be doing this with a student. First of all
it's asking for trouble you don't need, and secondly, it isn't even
close to being necessary as a tool to teach engine failure procedure on
takeoff in a single engine airplane on ANY learning curve.


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
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@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com
:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups
.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit
the help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing
people wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is
exactly what you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to
be able to entertain the idea that there are people on this
forum who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter
for your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young
pilots, then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and
hang it in my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed
to CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only
hope it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling
off the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back
to the hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the
shed for. If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million
times, I do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the
engine on takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were
to be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest
they should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of
the PTS. Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because
one thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.


I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get
below VMC during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie






We lost an MEI and his student both at KILG in a Baron doing just
this.



Always hated doing takeoff cuts no matter which method, but I always
used the throttle in any case. My boss did not and we had one idiot
who liked to do feathered landings and crashed ( they walked away
from it, though)
We used to do V1 cuts in jets for training, but not anymore. It can
be hairy as hell in some airplanes and quite a few have rolled over
and crashed in training. So now, if we don't do a zero time thingie,
we just do three touch and goes for certifiaction, but even this is
dying out.


Bertie
When this idiot buttman or whatever he is first posted on this takeoff
issue he wasn't talking multi-engine at all, but rather a single with
a primary student. Even in the multi sense he has never once even
mentioned zero thrusting an engine.
The bottom line is that what he was initially discussing here on this
forum was shutting down fuel on a single on takeoff with a primary
student based on the "logic" that he had enough runway ahead of him to
make that a safe procedure.
NO instructor should EVER be doing this with a student. First of all
it's asking for trouble you don't need, and secondly, it isn't even
close to being necessary as a tool to teach engine failure procedure
on takeoff in a single engine airplane on ANY learning curve.


Oh yeah, I undersood that. Something about twins was mentioned as well
which is why I expressed my disapproval of this practice there.
We do take chances instructing. Manipulating the throttle on takeoff is
a bit of a risk, for instance. But where we take chances they are
generray calculated and at least have a point. I can't see any point or
lesson to be learned by shutting the fuel off.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in
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:

On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Owner wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
news:5597b148-f803-4679-b40e-ea7768c139e1
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups
.com...
On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit
the help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing
people wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is
exactly what you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to
be able to entertain the idea that there are people on this
forum who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter
for your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young
pilots, then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and
hang it in my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed
to CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only
hope it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling
off the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back
to the hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the
shed for. If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.

--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million
times, I do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the
engine on takeoff.

My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were
to be made.

Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest
they should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of
the PTS. Do you not follow the PTS?

And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because
one thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.

I'm an mei and a check airman. Anyone who lets an airplane get
below VMC during training is a complete tit. And a short lived one.


Bertie






We lost an MEI and his student both at KILG in a Baron doing just
this.


Always hated doing takeoff cuts no matter which method, but I always
used the throttle in any case. My boss did not and we had one idiot
who liked to do feathered landings and crashed ( they walked away
from it, though)
We used to do V1 cuts in jets for training, but not anymore. It can
be hairy as hell in some airplanes and quite a few have rolled over
and crashed in training. So now, if we don't do a zero time thingie,
we just do three touch and goes for certifiaction, but even this is
dying out.


Bertie
When this idiot buttman or whatever he is first posted on this takeoff
issue he wasn't talking multi-engine at all, but rather a single with
a primary student. Even in the multi sense he has never once even
mentioned zero thrusting an engine.
The bottom line is that what he was initially discussing here on this
forum was shutting down fuel on a single on takeoff with a primary
student based on the "logic" that he had enough runway ahead of him to
make that a safe procedure.
NO instructor should EVER be doing this with a student. First of all
it's asking for trouble you don't need, and secondly, it isn't even
close to being necessary as a tool to teach engine failure procedure
on takeoff in a single engine airplane on ANY learning curve.


Oh yeah, I undersood that. Something about twins was mentioned as well
which is why I expressed my disapproval of this practice there.
We do take chances instructing. Manipulating the throttle on takeoff is
a bit of a risk, for instance. But where we take chances they are
generray calculated and at least have a point. I can't see any point or
lesson to be learned by shutting the fuel off.


Bertie

Your right. the whole idea of instructing is to teach people to deal
with a potentially dangerous environment. The idea is to do the
"teaching" in such a way that the danger level of the lesson isn't more
than the danger you're trying to teach the student to avoid.
In this vein most of the sane among us have found the way to do this
with some air under our butts :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Mar 7, 11:24 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 7, 10:05 am, buttman wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:55 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
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On Mar 6, 3:13 pm, "Owner" wrote:
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On Mar 6, 2:40 pm, Dudley Henriques
wrote:
The posts you made concerning pulling mixture on take off
involved a single engine airplane and a primary student. No
competent instructor does this REGARDLESS of the runway
remaining. The fact that you are actually defending this
idiotic and incompetent procedure is all I need to support
my initial judgment of you as a CFI.
Your feeble attempts at portraying me in the light of a
"know it all" and a "blow hard" would seem to fly in the
face of what I see from others (Ken Tucker excepted of
course) concerning your judgment on this
matter as well.
In other words, it appears that you have a judgment
problem...something
not desirable in a CFI.
--
Dudley Henriques
Did you not read the 5 paragraph post that you just quoted?
Obviously you didn't as you continue to say I pulled the
mixture. It wasn't the mixture, it was the fuel valve!
In my post I addressed my reasoning for coming to the stance
I take on this issue. I do not necessarily "support" doing
that particular maneuver.
What I do support the idea that things like pulling the fuel
valve (or anything else for that matter) CAN be done safely
as long as the proper precautions are made.
Wow, what a load of crap, but what would one expect from
someone known as
buttman?
Since you're not willing to follow
along, it only proves that you are indeed nothing but a
blowhard who is full of himself.
The thread I made over a year ago was intended to solicit the
help of this group in preparing myself for something I
thought my students could benefit from. The only thing people
wanted to do was act self- righteous, which is exactly what
you're continuing to do right now.
HHHUUURRR
wow they're really coming out of the wooodwork this afrernoon.
Yes. Isn't it amazing how many disagree with you and/or believe
you are wrong......and isn't it amazing how you can't seem to be
able to entertain the idea that there are people on this forum
who know more than you do. So far I see not one supporter for
your idiotic assertions. Good God man, get out of the CFI
business before you kill some innocent student.
--
Dudley Henriques
If' this is the kind of CFI that's teaching today's young pilots,
then maybe it's time to take the prop off my Tiger and hang it in
my office
Fortunately, this guy is an odyssey. In 50 years being exposed to
CFI's
of all makes and models, this idiot stands out as unique. I've
never come across an instructor who not only does what this guy
claims to do with students, but who when told it's wrong, attacks
the pilots correcting him.
Pilots like this guy are an accident waiting to happen. I only hope
it doesn't happen to him.
The positive side is that what usually happens with people like
this is that after they shoot off their mouth on Usenet telling off
the pilots who disagree with them, they usually sulk on back to the
hangar and never do again what they were taken out to the shed for.
If this is the result, I'm thoroughly satisfied.
--
Dudley Henriques
This is like talking to a brick wall. I've said it a million times, I
do not agree that is is necessarily "safe" to pull the engine on
takeoff.
My argument was that is can be safe if the proper precautions were to
be made.
Also, I know you're going to find some way to wriggle out of this
one, but were you ever an MEI? Did you not do engine cuts on take
off? If you did, how did you exactly do them? How do you suggest they
should be done? Because engine cuts on takeoff are part of the PTS.
Do you not follow the PTS?
And don't try to tell me engine cuts in a twin are "safe" because one
thing can lead to another and the plane can get below Vmc.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I am genuinely curious how
you can be perfectly OK with doing it in a twin, but go off the
handle when suggesting doing it in a single.
I agree with Mr. Buttman, =
As if anty moreproof were needed tha buttman is a complete tit.
Bertie
You took the words right out of my mouth :-) After 50 years in the
aviation instruction and safety business, there's nothing like arguing
these issues with a paper plane idiot and an instructor who advocates
starving an engine on take off to "teach his students properly"
To coin a phrase from a friend,
"God I LOVE Usenet!!!" :-))
Dudley Henriques

Dud, you've never been in an airplane, and you're
NOT an instructor. I'm a prof teacher and I can
sniff your bad **** off the net, you're a phony!

Mr. Buttman (appropriately) raised the question
of engine failure at rotation or ascent, I'd like him
as an instructor. Why, because he's strict.
As a prof teacher, I happen to know that a suggested
lesson should be weighed by it's merits by his peers,
and you "dud" are not near in his class, otherwise
you would have discussed the issue of anomally
in that T-O circumstance.
And that's how I know the "dud" is a web-phony.

"dud" is CHECKMATED by
Ken S. Tucker
PS: Now predicably "dud" or his "bertie" sidekick
will engage in the usual name calling, to avoid the
issue.
Tucker, you just CAN'T be this uninformed :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in news:5ZidnVP-
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Your right. the whole idea of instructing is to teach people to deal
with a potentially dangerous environment. The idea is to do the
"teaching" in such a way that the danger level of the lesson isn't more
than the danger you're trying to teach the student to avoid.
In this vein most of the sane among us have found the way to do this
with some air under our butts :-))


I don't see much point in doing one in a single on take off anyway. About
the only lesson learned there is "pretty scary, eh?" The most likely way
someone is going to come to grief with a terminal engine failure on takeoff
is from stalling aor spinning in. The best place to ingrain the sort of
training to avoid this scenario is done at altitude anyway.

Bertie