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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On Jul 23, 7:07*pm, Albert Thomas wrote:
On Jul 23, 5:29*pm, Andrzej Kobus wrote: On Jul 23, 7:56*pm, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Jul 23, 4:50*pm, Papa3 wrote: On Jul 23, 7:06*pm, " wrote: On Jul 23, 3:32*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote: I too, as an SSA member, ask you to please continue posting your reports on the SSA web site. *You are doing a great job of reporting and we all enjoy your articles very much. If someone else wants to post additional articles on the SSA web site, they are welcome to do that. Paul Remde "T8" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 5:20 pm, Frank Paynter wrote: I have been asked by the contest management here at Logan to stop posting my reports on the official SSA site, so henceforth these reports will be available only on SoaringCafe.com. Apparently I was using the ‘U’ (Unlandable) word a little too often for their taste. I freely admit that a lot of the areas that from this flatlander’s perspective looks unlandable may in fact be perfectly safe from the point of view of a Logan regular, but hey – I’m not completely dumb and it looked pretty scary to me! ;-). As an SSA member, I invite you to continue posting on the SSA reports site. -Evan Ludeman / T8 Me too!! Me four! * That is seriously bad policy and a stupid move by someone. * 5 busted gliders deserves to be called out! P3 Me five. I enjoy many of the contest reports. But while there are benefits of keeping things all together on the SSA site, if that becomes a stupid hassle then SoaringCafe is a good home as well. I would hope SSA management looks at this and actively discourages any attempts to gag posts like this. Darryl Guess what, someone removed all Frank's posts from the SSA's contest website. Is this a censorship? I can not believe this is happening. Someone please wake me up from deep sleep and tell me this has not happened!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, some of Frank's posts are still posted at the Regionals page. Not sure for how long they will stay there though..... Yes, this is blatant censorship and I can think of two reasons for it. Frank's account will make in unlikely that future national might be held at Logan because too many pilots may decide it's just too risky a venue for their glider. Which leads to a second possibility. As a contest manager or competition director who has selected tasks that have resulted in the damage to 5 (is that confirmed? FIVE!?!) out of 54 or 9.3% of the sailplanes entered, I'd be a little worried about the soaring insurance companies reading of repeated tasks over reportedly unlandable terrain. You do have to get liability insurance to host one of these contests after all...I'm just glad no one has been hurt in this crapshoot. First of all, let's put a number on the gliders damaged flying at Logan this past week. I count two that I would regard as damaged (needing calls to the insurance rep), both landing mishaps - one on a rocky mountain meadow, the other in tall barley. If you count the plane that lost its tail skid and the one that lost a wingtip skid (mine), you could stretch it to four. I've no idea where the "5" damaged gliders number comes from. Based on my experience of flying out west, 2 out of 60 is pretty much par for a contest. The terrain can be intimidating for folks not used to flying in the mountains, and on my first flights here I am also treading warily cross-country. Climbing out from low on the mountains is common in many parts of the world and if you're not comfortable "sticking your wings in the trees" as one here put it, you're better off somewhere else. It's definitely not a site for beginners or wusses. There have been more landouts than usual, but quite a few resulted from unexpected weather rather than stiff tasks. I flew Friday's regional FAI task and did the east/west transition for the first time and had no problems, so I've no idea why others found it tough. I was initially concerned about crowding on the ridges, but I have seen many worse sites around the world and have not felt at particular risk here. (I would like my Flarm though. Please! You know, the one that was supposedly being delivered last May!) I've no idea where the SAA censorship came from. Considering that blogs are personal accounts, I see nothing major to complain about. I might describe things differently from my perspective, but that's how it goes. Mike |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
I thought TA had been doing a great job of reporting from contests.
Jim Try: http://soaringcafe.com/category/latest/ |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On 7/23/2011 7:07 PM, Albert Thomas wrote:
As a contest manager or competition director who has selected tasks that have resulted in the damage to 5 (is that confirmed? FIVE!?!) out of 54 or 9.3% of the sailplanes entered, Maybe I'm misinterpreting how you said it, but... How did the tasks result in damage? Did the area contain fields that appeared suitable, but in fact, weren't, and the CD knew that? Were the weather conditions, coupled with the task, such that the CD should have known would likely surprise pilots with unpredictable sink or headwinds? To put it another way: what about the task made pilots fly so that they ended up landing in unsuitable fields? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) |
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If there is truly something being said that would negatively affect the insurance premiums, that needs to be discussed and a compromise agreed upon. That's not censorship, that's simply addressing a reasonable concern. Undoubtedly there are geographic environments which are less desirable to flat land pilots but they have the option to either enter the event or not. The Logan folks should want to be up front about such things. Just watch a video or two from Bruno and you will get an idea of how different that area is from the flat earth types. I would suggest that all SSA members go to the SSA page, go to "contact us" and voice our concerns. I plan to do so. Walt |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On Jul 23, 10:00*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/23/2011 7:07 PM, Albert Thomas wrote: As a contest manager or competition director who has selected tasks that have resulted in the damage to 5 (is that confirmed? FIVE!?!) out of 54 or 9.3% of the sailplanes entered, Maybe I'm misinterpreting how you said it, but... How did the tasks result in damage? Did the area contain fields that appeared suitable, but in fact, weren't, and the CD knew that? Were the weather conditions, coupled with the task, such that the CD should have known would likely surprise pilots with unpredictable sink or headwinds? To put it another way: what about the task made pilots fly so that they ended up landing in unsuitable fields? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) Having been CD of many contests, I agree with Eric and FDR (quoted below). There are many areas that have similar "starting" conditions, Bishop comes to mind and Parowan also, as we learned a couple of weeks ago. THE MAN IN THE ARENA Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910 by Franklin D. Roosevelt "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. " Thank goodness for those who would be CD's, without them contests are a thing of the past. gary kemp |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On Jul 24, 9:16*am, "
wrote: On Jul 23, 10:00*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote: On 7/23/2011 7:07 PM, Albert Thomas wrote: As a contest manager or competition director who has selected tasks that have resulted in the damage to 5 (is that confirmed? FIVE!?!) out of 54 or 9.3% of the sailplanes entered, Maybe I'm misinterpreting how you said it, but... How did the tasks result in damage? Did the area contain fields that appeared suitable, but in fact, weren't, and the CD knew that? Were the weather conditions, coupled with the task, such that the CD should have known would likely surprise pilots with unpredictable sink or headwinds? To put it another way: what about the task made pilots fly so that they ended up landing in unsuitable fields? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) Having been CD of many contests, I agree with Eric and FDR (quoted below). *There are many areas that have similar "starting" conditions, Bishop comes to mind and Parowan also, as we learned a couple of weeks ago. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * THE MAN IN THE ARENA * * * * * *Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910 by Franklin D. Roosevelt "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. " Thank goodness for those who would be CD's, without them contests are a thing of the past. gary kemp Nice quote, even if it came from a scoundrel :-). I'm keenly interested in this issue. Filtering opinions on the SSA site is as fruitless as it is demeaning to the organization. There's no real need for more SSA policy (I hope). Much better to get an apology, dissenting opinion out in the open, put the danged reports back up. I thought one of you was a professor at the local U. Are you all so PC now you can't deal with a little unfiltered opinion? -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
If there is truly something being said that would negatively affect the insurance premiums, that needs to be discussed and a compromise agreed upon. I strongly suspect that the insurance business is run by professionals and that public posts by individuals are irrelevant to them. What matters to them is the claims that they receive and the money that they have to pay out. Tony "6N" |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On 7/24/2011 7:51 AM, T8 wrote:
Nice quote, even if it came from a scoundrel :-). I'm keenly interested in this issue. Filtering opinions on the SSA site is as fruitless as it is demeaning to the organization. There's no real need for more SSA policy (I hope). Much better to get an apology, dissenting opinion out in the open, put the danged reports back up. I thought one of you was a professor at the local U. Are you all so PC now you can't deal with a little unfiltered opinion? -Evan Ludeman / T8 Is the SSA contest report website really the place for editorial pieces? Or fun exaggerated stories? Or is it for news reporting? The soaring cafe can be whatever it wants. RAS is whatever it is. Blogs are perfect for opinions. Please stick to news reporting in the SSA contest reports. ZL One of many happy Logan contestants |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
On Jul 24, 10:06*am, David Leonard wrote:
On 7/24/2011 7:51 AM, T8 wrote: Nice quote, even if it came from a scoundrel :-). I'm keenly interested in this issue. *Filtering opinions on the SSA site is as fruitless as it is demeaning to the organization. There's no real need for more SSA policy (I hope). *Much better to get an apology, dissenting opinion out in the open, put the danged reports back up. *I thought one of you was a *professor at the local U. *Are you all so PC now you can't deal with a little unfiltered opinion? -Evan Ludeman / T8 Is the SSA contest report website really the place for editorial pieces? Or fun exaggerated stories? Or is it for news reporting? The soaring cafe can be whatever it wants. RAS is whatever it is. Blogs are perfect for opinions. Please stick to news reporting in the SSA contest reports. ZL One of many happy Logan contestants The news is on the scoresheet. All else is color commentary. A certain amount of personal opinion has been a part of color commentary since time began... and certainly since Sailplane Racing News was a four page newsletter with a stamp and a postmark from Reno. -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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Logan contest reporting now only on Soaring Cafe
ZL, the sport is dying fast enough. Are you going to be the 'Writers
Police"? TA is simply giving everyone who's anyone a 'contest junkie' perpective that brings readers into the battle. Otherwise, have one of the managers write their boring account that puts us all to sleep. "The winner today was Nucklehead Liebenovich who circled to the left and then circled to the right and then landed. We ate dried fried chicken, milky coleslaw,and biscutts afterwards.sniiioooorkkkkkllllleeeeeeee (head hitting table)" UH, KM, XM... you better call somebody quick before Logan ends up in the ****ter as a 'not very friendly place'. R Maybe I should Discard this message...oops...wrong butt.. |
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