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wrote They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this.... Agreed. There is certainly more here, than what is being told, one way or the other. I wouldn't mind a nice fat unlawful termination suit being won in my favor, would you? g -- Jim in NC |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... wrote They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this.... Agreed. There is certainly more here, than what is being told, one way or the other. I wouldn't mind a nice fat unlawful termination suit being won in my favor, would you? And what do you see as "unlawful termination?" Color? Creed? Age? Gender? Without an explicit contract saying otherwise, any employer can terminate any employee and do it **WITHOUT** cause. The only thing I see that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was NOT illegal. I feel bad for Joseph and his fellow former NetJets employees, but the bottom line is: ===nobody is guaranteed a job=== As sad as it may seem that lots of folks are going to be spending a long hot summer with no income, and as chicken sh...tuff as it may seem, no legal beagle is going to make a dime unless they can prove color, creed, age, or gender was involved. Ask my wife. Several years ago, she worked for a corporation long enough to top out, pay wise, in her job code. In January of that year, she received an award for Employee of the Year. In addition to a fancy certificate and cash bonus, the company gave her a voucher for a week vacation at a Florida resort. When we got back from Florida the following May, she found a letter in her in-box that her services were no longer required. When she found that another person had been hired to do her former job at less than half the salary, she went to a lawyer --- a friend we've known for decades. His response was, "....nobody is guaranteed a job." |
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I've never worked for NetJets. Someone close to me was.
Honestly, I don't know the legalities where this is involved, and what the selection criteria was for the layoffs. But I do know that telling someone 'sign this or you won't get any severance pay' could pretty easily spawn a legal battle based on duress. The two I know are over 40, so age discrimination could be a factor. One was promoted into a position then a month or so later that 'position' is eliminated, the other was relocated from out of state. My reason for posting wasn't to indicate NetJets did anything illegally.. I'm not that closely involved in it. I posted it because it sickened me to hear the poor treatment they (and presumable many others) received. We are a litigious society, where people can get paid for doing something stupid... So to say they need to just accept it because 'it happened to me' would indicate to me your wife probably should have got a second opinion. ;-) Casey Wilson wrote: "Morgans" wrote in message ... wrote They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this.... Agreed. There is certainly more here, than what is being told, one way or the other. I wouldn't mind a nice fat unlawful termination suit being won in my favor, would you? And what do you see as "unlawful termination?" Color? Creed? Age? Gender? Without an explicit contract saying otherwise, any employer can terminate any employee and do it **WITHOUT** cause. The only thing I see that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was NOT illegal. I feel bad for Joseph and his fellow former NetJets employees, but the bottom line is: ===nobody is guaranteed a job=== As sad as it may seem that lots of folks are going to be spending a long hot summer with no income, and as chicken sh...tuff as it may seem, no legal beagle is going to make a dime unless they can prove color, creed, age, or gender was involved. Ask my wife. Several years ago, she worked for a corporation long enough to top out, pay wise, in her job code. In January of that year, she received an award for Employee of the Year. In addition to a fancy certificate and cash bonus, the company gave her a voucher for a week vacation at a Florida resort. When we got back from Florida the following May, she found a letter in her in-box that her services were no longer required. When she found that another person had been hired to do her former job at less than half the salary, she went to a lawyer --- a friend we've known for decades. His response was, "....nobody is guaranteed a job." |
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wrote in message ps.com... Aparently a senior manager (executive level) told them in a meeting earlier in the month that there would be no layoffs, nobody would be losing their job. He then was the one to notify at least some of them of their 'voluntary' resignation. I haven't seen the resignations that were wrote for them so I can't confirm this, but I heard they also disallowed any future employment with the company. It's getting complicated... Let's see... They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this.... I doubt it, Warren didn't get to where he is by making mistakes such as you suggest. Based on your biased posts it is sounding more and more like they were terminations due to performance issues. Don't forget we have 'at will' employment in this country. Either party can terminate employment without notice for no reason. |
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I read somewhere that NetJets lost $143M in 2005.
john smith wrote: A friend was given notice at 4:00 PM Tuesday afternoon. No explaination was given for the layoff, only that it was not performance related. This was a top management level employee. The local news organizations have not yet picked up the story. |
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message oups.com... I read somewhere that NetJets lost $143M in 2005. I always felt that offering fractional ownership of a plane for business purposes was not a sustainable business model. Corporate private flying is primarily ego driven (must have plane - makes me look important), not business driven. For most companies it is an unnecessary expense, so they will eventually drop it. The next aviation business failure appears to be the idea that very light jets can be used as business transportation between small airports. Maybe, maybe not. The next few years will tell. |
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BTIZ wrote: that means they can't collect un employment benefits Not always. At least in this state the employer will receive a form on which they can state (inter alia) that the employee resigned in which case benefits may be denied. However, if the employer doesn't return the form or fails to contest an appeal from the employee, benefits will still be paid. It is not unknown for companies to agree not to fight unemployment claims in a settlement agreement. |
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