Russian Navy going back to the Med

On Dec 7, 6:01 am, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

...

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

it was trying to keep up militarily last time that bankrupted the old
union. people aren't going to like being in long lines again for goods because the
military is soaking up all the assets of the state.

Russia is riding high on the resources and mineral boom mainly oil and
its consumer economy may now be more efficient so it can afford to
blow some of its money. Having said that if there is a collapse in
demand the people will suffer: not just ques for the wrong goods but
unemployment.

It was the US that was contemplating imperial over reach.

In article ,
says...

Serdyukov said the navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Admiral
Kuznetsov, and anti-submarine ships had set out for the Mediterranean on
Wednesday from the Northern Fleet's base in Severomorsk, in the Arctic
Circle.

Black Sea fleet ships and aircraft support would meet them in the
Mediterranean. He said military exercises would be held during the
sorties and that the group would visit six foreign states. He did not
name them.

I guess the USN should warm up the water distillation plants again....

On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:
Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean



I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

On Dec 7, 4:36�am, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

I'm just wondering how on earth the Russians scraped all that rust off
their buckets that have sat for over a decade... or are they just
sending 1-2 ships? I hope they don't send any of their submerged
Chernobyls!

Rob

On Dec 7, 3:32 pm, Rob Arndt wrote:
On Dec 7, 4:36�am, Jack Linthicum wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

I'm just wondering how on earth the Russians scraped all that rust off
their buckets that have sat for over a decade... or are they just
sending 1-2 ships? I hope they don't send any of their submerged
Chernobyls!

Rob

http://informationdissemination.blog...g-cvbg-to.html

According to Russian media sources, the naval battle group will be
centered around the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and will
include 3 warship escorts, two of which are described as anti-
submarine escorts. Additionally seven support ships, 40+ planes, and
10 helicopters will be deployed with the battle group.

This is the largest Russian naval deployment since the Russian Navy
deployed in 1999 in response to the Kosovo conflict, which was the
only major Russian Navy deployment since the end of the cold war of
this size. The deployment of this battle group represents a major
undertaking by the Russian Navy. In a way, we see this deployment as
representative of the past, present, and future of the Russian Navy.

For perspective, the condition of the Russian Fleet was considered so
deteriorated only a decade ago that it was legitimate to assume the
entire fleet would eventually be scrapped. To deploy the 4 warships
and 7 support ships, the Russian Navy appears to be pulling from the
Northern, Black, and Baltic fleets. At present this would appear to
represent the maximum power projection capability of the Russian Navy,
and considering the Russian Navy budget is focused on building
strategic ballistic missile submarines, it appears it may represent
the high end of power projection for the next several years.

The naval battle group will sail down the Norwegian coast and pass
west of Great Britain before passing through the Strait of Gibraltar
where it will conduct exercises in the Mediterranean until February of
2008.

On 7 дек, 23:32, Rob Arndt wrote:
On Dec 7, 4:36�am, Jack Linthicum wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:46 pm, Tiger wrote:

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this
guy is worth keeping a eye on.

Yahoo! News
Russiannavy to start sorties in Mediterranean

I presume someone in this, sci.military.naval, group will keep track
of how many ships do this act, how long they stay on station and how
many are sent home in some form of casualty.

I'm just wondering how on earth the Russians scraped all that rust off
their buckets that have sat for over a decade... or are they just
sending 1-2 ships? I hope they don't send any of their submerged
Chernobyls!

Rob

There is nothing to worry about. No more Chernobyls)) They just need
some exercise, just like any other Navy of any other country with
nuclear weapons.
What i wonder about, how come the Russian-American relations started
to go down again? What went wrong? These could be the best allies on
Earth that could control the rest of the world and protect other
nations from terror and poverty. If only these two nations could
cooperate better. There is so much to do together except for Weaponry
Race and Cold War. The people of these two great countries are so the
same with so similar values. They just speak different languages and
went a bit different ways towards democracy. But who can be sure which
way is faster or better? Some more thoughts on Russian-American
relations in my blog e-citizenglobal.blogspot.com
Andrey P.

"Tiger" wrote in message
...
Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this guy
is worth keeping a eye on.


Yahoo! News
Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

By Guy FaulconbridgeWed Dec 5, 4:16 PM ET

Russia said on Wednesday it would start the first major navy sortie into
the Mediterranean since Soviet times, the latest move by an increasingly
assertive Moscow to demonstrate its military might.

"The aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence in tactically
important regions of the world ocean," Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov
told President Vladimir Putin, who wished the sailors well. The rest of
the meeting was closed.

Serdyukov said 11 ships, including an aircraft carrier, would take part in
the sortie and be backed up by 47 aircraft -- including strategic bombers.

Buoyed by huge oil revenues, Russia under Putin has been boosting military
spending while at the same time using diplomacy to broaden Moscow's
influence.

Earlier this year Putin announced that long-range strategic bombers would
resume patrols around the world and Russia's long-range nuclear forces
have test-fired new missiles.

But analysts say the navy, once the focus of national pride and symbol of
the Soviet Union's military might, is still reeling from more than a
decade of underfunding.

A series of accidents -- such as the sinking of the Kursk nuclear
submarine in 2000 -- have hurt the Russian navy's reputation at home and
abroad.

Serdyukov said the navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Admiral
Kuznetsov, and anti-submarine ships had set out for the Mediterranean on
Wednesday from the Northern Fleet's base in Severomorsk, in the Arctic
Circle.

Black Sea fleet ships and aircraft support would meet them in the
Mediterranean. He said military exercises would be held during the sorties
and that the group would visit six foreign states. He did not name them.

He also said Northern Fleet would make sorties into the northern Atlantic.

Russia has long been talking about reviving a permanent naval base in the
Mediterranean. During the Cold War, the Soviet navy had a permanent
presence on the Mediterranean, using the Syrian port of Tartus as a supply
point.

(Editing by Elizabeth Piper)

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So how many ships did they get somewhat seaworthy this year, over four?



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