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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Recently, Bob Fry posted:
To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine. One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican "debate" was the number of candidates that are completely clueless about what science is and is not. At least Mitt Romney acknowledged that science and religion are not in opposition to one another, but he then went off on a tangent that completely failed to separate religious concepts from learning the discipline of science. It left me with the impression that if a Republican administration is elected from this bunch, we'll be hopelessly bogged down in ignorance that, if nothing else, will lessen the likelihood that their "Apollo Project" to solve our energy needs and reduce global warming could ever become a reality. We won't accomplish such a thing by praying for it. Neil |
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Recently, Jose posted:
As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%. It's not just engineering. Pure science, which is the bastion of future engineering as well as an attraction to bright minds, is being done offshore because research which violates superstition or offends our superstitous leaders (such as stem cell research) is illegal here. Not only is stem cell research legal here, some states have actually started funding it because the feds won't. One of the better things about this country is that it is big enough that a few states can actually have a significant impact on such things compared to other countries around the world. Neil |
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"Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Jose posted: As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%. It's not just engineering. Pure science, which is the bastion of future engineering as well as an attraction to bright minds, is being done offshore because research which violates superstition or offends our superstitous leaders (such as stem cell research) is illegal here. Not only is stem cell research legal here, some states have actually started funding it because the feds won't. And some states, such as South Dakota, explicitly make such research illegal. Here's a table of of fetus research laws on a state-by-state basis: http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/genetics/embfet.htm |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Jim Logajan wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: So, do you have another example of scientific research that is being moved offshore because it is illegal in the US? Sorry to butt in (but this _is_ Usenet!) but I believe it is illegal in the U.S. to perform any scientific research on Schedule I drugs (as defined by the Controlled Substances Act) unless one can "get a Schedule I research license from the DEA, an investigating new drug (IND) approval from the FDA, a licensed commercial laboratory who will provide you with the drug, and obtain approval of your detailed research protocol from the DEA, the FDA and the Institutional Review Board (IRB) of the academic location where the study will take place. [...] What is one to fear if he wishes to eventually do this kind of work? Aside from the medical risks of exploring new drugs in humans, the only certain risk is the law. Work with a competent physician, and also with a competent lawyer. Or work in a country such as Switzerland where research of this nature is considered a medical matter, not a legal one."[*] [*] http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shul...l_research.htm Well we as a nation have decided that Sked 1 drugs are a bad thing and have regulated them as such. Now I have no knowledge of the law in Switzerland but if just anyone can "research" drugs that are otherwise illegal then there is a huge whole in the law that I'm sure is used to get out of trouble when you get busted. |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
Bob Fry wrote:
Really?? Rather, anybody can throw money at a problem, and...keep throwing money at it. Like sending a flight loads of ca$h to Iraq [http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1734939,00.html and many other refs]. Bob... give me six million dollars and I will make a small electric plane that flies with a fuel cell. Will it be cost effective? who knows. Will anyone want it? To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine. I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many millions for special development projects over the years. What I would find interesting is to know if any of them ever made a dime out of their "investment". When you have to convince a group of private investers to put up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product you have to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that what you are doing will end up a viable product. |
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Neil Gould wrote:
One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican "debate" was the number of candidates that are completely clueless about what science is and is not. Oh I totally agree... and so are all the democrat candidates. Most of your politicians in Washington are totally cluless about a lot of things, not just technology. We need some fresh meat/// people who have held actual real jobs, or run companies. At least Mitt Romney acknowledged that science and religion are not in opposition to one another, but he then went off on a tangent that completely failed to separate religious concepts from learning the discipline of science. It left me with the impression that if a Republican administration is elected from this bunch, we'll be hopelessly bogged down in ignorance that, if nothing else, will lessen the likelihood that their "Apollo Project" to solve our energy needs and reduce global warming could ever become a reality. We won't accomplish such a thing by praying for it. Agreed. I see no one... from either party... who is worth voting for. Like I said... We need some fresh meat. Fire every damn one of 'em and start over. We certainly couldn't do any worse than what we have now. |
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kontiki wrote:
Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary. I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and really didn't know squat. What engineering discipline are you trained and licensed in? |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki Then wouldn't it be logicaol that government try to kontiki reduce taxes... or do other types of things to kontiki "incentivize" them to stay here? Probably not. America reached a technology peak in the 1960s, with very high involvement by the feds and states (California at least) in science and tech. There are lots of things that only governments can properly take a risk with. -- When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil. - Jack Handey |
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American decline in tech was: ENvironmentally Friendly ...
"kontiki" wrote in message ... Agreed. I see no one... from either party... who is worth voting for. Like I said... We need some fresh meat. Fire every damn one of 'em and start over. We certainly couldn't do any worse than what we have now. Interesting campaign he http://payattention.org/ |
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