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Pilots come in all shapes. Measurements of cockpits can be deceptive, as
width depends on fore-and-aft position. You must try it on! As to competition sucess, it somewhat depends on weather. the Southeast is different than the Southwest. To be scientific, go to the SSA web page and review all of last years 18m contests--regional and National. Then figure the number of "29s and the number of V2s in the top quartile, divided by the number of entries of each. This should give you the proportion of each glider in the top quartile---The results should be interesting and enlightening. In strong weather---the 15m and 18m ships with high wing loading do well. In anemic weather the 18m ships with lighter wing loading do well. Good luck in your quest---I really don't think you would go far wrong either way -- Hartley Falbaum DG800B "KF" USA/prev ASW27B "KF" USA wrote in message oups.com... Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the best my dollars can buy. So I ask again, if you wanted to buy the best for racing 15/18 which glider? Go for it. Good luck with finding an unbiased discussion, there are few things more biased than choosing one glider brand over another... |
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Sorry that I haven't good information for you on the differences between
ASG-29 & Ventus 2CX. I am very curious as to the ASG-29 warrantee regarding spar cap as described in recent posts.How do U.S. buyers protect themselves from such manufacturing blunders? I've read many posts on this R.A.S. newsgroup concerning improperly profiled wings on earlier European sailplanes & am wondering if & how manufacturers are held to account. Very Best Regards, Jim Hultman Santa Barbara wrote in message ups.com... All things being equal (delivery time, price, etc.) which glider would you choose and why? Is there a performance difference, quality difference, ergonomics, etc.? The comparision should take into account 15 meter and 18 meter performance, strong weather and weak weather performance. |
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Jim Hultman wrote:
Hey Marc, Finally you've posted an intelligent reply to her original question, instead of running her down for having more $$ than you. Who was running her down? I buy the prettiest glider I can fit into, with the bucks that I have, just like almost everyone else. If she hasn't figured that out yet, endlessly posting the same questions isn't going to get her an answer... Marc |
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Jim Hultman wrote:
Hey Marc, Finally you've posted an intelligent reply to her original question, instead of running her down for having more $$ than you. Who was running her down? I buy the prettiest glider I can fit into, with the bucks that I have, just like almost everyone else. If she hasn't figured that out yet, endlessly posting the same questions isn't going to get her an answer... Marc |
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I have spent some time in both V2ct and ASG29. I am BIG (too
big). The 29 cockpit is more roomy and comfortable than the V2. I like the flying characteristics of the Schleicher gliders, I am not that fond of the SH gliders, so I would choose an ASG29 (it is also more beautiful in my opinion). At the recent WGC in Sweden where I was the CD it was quite clear that they have the same performance. The Jones brothers and Wolfganf J are good pilots! Robert wrote: The reason I was asking this question is I wanted to know which is the glider to have to race 15 meter and 18 meter! Does one have a performance advantage over the other? The comments on ASW-27/ASG-29 wing refinsh are troubling, but it cannot be too big a problem as I see many ASW-27's on the score sheets and the talk of the 29's wing loading range seems to have many buyers waiting for delivery (same wait time for either V2CX or ASG29). The LS-10 is really an unknown as there are only two flying. Also the cockpit size keeps my husband from being able to fly this bird. If you wanted to race both 15 meter and 18 meter, which glider would you buy?! On Nov 3, 3:17 pm, Nick Olson wrote: Neither go for the LS10, or if you really want to be different the HpH 304S, or really different the DG808S. Would also suggest the JS-1 or Antares 18 - but no 15m option (but it's a class that will die off soon), or if the rumours were true I heard a few years back wait for the 18 metre version of the SZD-56 Diana 2. |
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It's not likely that you will be able to get both sides of the story from 1 single individual on this request because most people who can afford to by an 18 meter motor glider are conservative by nature; once they find something they like, they stick to it. (Me a conservative....Who Knew?) Only a few of us can afford to have both a ASG 29 and a V2cx. It is common knowledge who's gliders wings change shape shortly after delivery and who's don't. I have a V2cxm. It is my 3rd Ventus motor glider, in a row. Vcm, V2cm and V2cxm. So I have experienced the "aerodynamic evolution" on the Ventus 18 meter line. From my perspective the VcM ran very well and she could climb once I learned her nuances but climbing was an acquired skill which took me a while, a very pleasurable while I might say.... The V2c climbed like a homesick angle hands off, however my impression was that the run was slightly sacrificed for the climb because of the diverging lift vectors at the tip with all that dihedral. Now they really got right with the V2cx... She climbs AND she runs, with sweet control harmony on all axis. Thanks my experience with the Ventus line..... What's great is that it's a self launcher too....Well isn't that CONVENIENT... The ASG looks impressive, I stood by the runway at Ionia as Rudy Mosher landed next to me and it was the prettiest slowest, shortest land I can recall. Very nice.... John Sullivan UFO .. |
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