NEW Declaration Requirements

On Sep 30, 5:30*am, Steve Leonard wrote:
Oh, and if you turn any cambridge unit off after making the declaration, it
is dumped so you have to start over. *As Daryll said, "Declare it, start
it, and leave it alone!"

I suspect most other FRs are the same?

Steve

No sorry that is definitely not true either. The declaration is
nonvolitile. But I just would not mess with the recorder by
deliberately turning it off.

These misconceptions or might arise because of what is strange
behavior of older Model 20/25 GPS such as if you make a new
declaration it will overwrite the old declaration on any existing
flights in the recorder. There seems to be lots of confusion on
declarations and many recorders do have bizare behavior. Judy has many
horror stories. Practice making electronic declarations and make a
paper one after the electronic one.

Darryl

On Sep 30, 9:15*am, Peter Purdie wrote:
Whenever a question arises, it is often best to go back to the source
document.

New Sporting Code (valid from October 1 2009, Declaration section:

4.2.1 Declaration content
a. Date of flight.
b. Name of the pilot-in-command, and the flight crew if any (see Annex C,
para 6.3c).
c. Glider type, and its registration or serial number or unique
NAC-assigned contest number.
d. The make, model and serial number of the FR used (as recorded in the
igc file for the flight). For any barograph or GPS position recorder
used, the make, model and serial
number as verified by the OO before flight.

Therefore the Competition number assigned by the SSA is perfectly good,
and most of this thread is irrelevant..............

Hi Peter,

Sometimes, it is important to go back and carefully re-read the
wording of a rule :-)

The catch is that 4.2.1.c refers to a "unique NAC-Assigned contest
number." The SSA (and several other large NACs) do not assign a
unique contest number to an aircraft; rather, the contest number is
assigned to the pilot. In the context of the rule, the
interpretation handed down by the IGC is that "unique" refers to the
combination of the contest number and aircraft. The IGC folks were
very clear that the situation in the US is such that the competition
number would not meet the requirements. We tried very hard to explain
the impact of this situation, but we ultimately were asked to concede
the point.

Regards,

Erik Mann
Chair, SSA FAI Badge & Record Committee

"Papa3" wrote in message
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On Sep 30, 9:15 am, Peter Purdie wrote:
Whenever a question arises, it is often best to go back to the source
document.

New Sporting Code (valid from October 1 2009, Declaration section:

4.2.1 Declaration content
a. Date of flight.
b. Name of the pilot-in-command, and the flight crew if any (see Annex C,
para 6.3c).
c. Glider type, and its registration or serial number or unique
NAC-assigned contest number.
d. The make, model and serial number of the FR used (as recorded in the
igc file for the flight). For any barograph or GPS position recorder
used, the make, model and serial
number as verified by the OO before flight.

Therefore the Competition number assigned by the SSA is perfectly good,
and most of this thread is irrelevant..............

Hi Peter,

Sometimes, it is important to go back and carefully re-read the
wording of a rule :-)

The catch is that 4.2.1.c refers to a "unique NAC-Assigned contest
number." The SSA (and several other large NACs) do not assign a
unique contest number to an aircraft; rather, the contest number is
assigned to the pilot. In the context of the rule, the
interpretation handed down by the IGC is that "unique" refers to the
combination of the contest number and aircraft. The IGC folks were
very clear that the situation in the US is such that the competition
number would not meet the requirements. We tried very hard to explain
the impact of this situation, but we ultimately were asked to concede
the point.

Regards,

Erik Mann
Chair, SSA FAI Badge & Record Committee


Erik;

Thanks anyway for the effort.
--
Hartley Falbaum
USA "KF"

At 01:49 30 September 2009, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
(yada, yada, yada)
I'll be a whole lot more upset if they ever get rid of sectors than
this bit of administrivia will get me. I've proven to myself dozens
of times I can't hit a cylinder @ 16,000 feet without being head down
and locked staring at a pda.


Not to worry. In fact, as of tomorrow, Cylinders have been dropped from
the options available for Start & Finish. They can still be used at Turn
Points, WITHOUT the requirement for all Turn Points to use the same OZ
type. (There is still that pesky 1/2 km "Cylinder Correction" penalty,
though, for each time the courseline crosses a Cylinder boundary.

Judy

On Sep 30, 5:30 am, Steve Leonard wrote:

Oh, and if you turn any cambridge unit off after making the
declaration, it is dumped so you have to start over... I suspect most
other FRs are the same?

At 14:25 30 September 2009, Uncle Fuzzy (Jim Wynhoff) wrote:

I know only about the [Cambridge] 302 series. Mine holds a declaration
until I change it....

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Ah yes, the vagaries of FRs!

You two prove there's little consistency in how various models deal with
declaration procedures and/or assigning declaration date & time.

Actually, Jim, the first line of the "C" records in your data files
indicates that recurring declaration was made on August 2, 2008 at
02:01:21 UTC, for a flight made on August 1, 2008. (Dates are UTC as well,
so from the looks of it, this was an in-flight or post-flight declaration
for an August 1, 2008 flight in Nevada. Some FRs permit this, though I
think it's chiefly a Cambridge quirk... and it can happen accidentally,
when taking an in- or post-flight look at the declaration and pushing the
wrong button(s) to exit that screen.)

Please check your User Guide for the 302 - I seem to recall that the
omni-present declaration is a user-set option in this model... if so, you
may want to see what the other option(s) is/are.

Yet another variation on declaration date & time: a Volkslogger will cling
tenaciously to a task in memory for weeks/months or longer... assigning it
a different date & time EACH TIME the FR is turned on and begins
recording. This invalidates any carefully-made written declaration signed
on the "big day," but before the FR is turned on.

This is also how a pilot flying in Texas in August ends up surprised by an
electronically declared task he’d entered in June, during a contest in
California. (One of exactly 2 instances when I've approved claims based
on a technically invalid written declaration - the other involved a pilot
flying in Pennsylvania, with an electronically declared task in Germany.)


Bottom line... if you prefer a written declaration OR you don't know and
can’t check exactly what’s entered in the FR, the best advice is this:
Prepare a written declaration ready for an Observer’s signature ... TURN
THE FR ON... fiddle with an electronic declaration if you like, but then
knock iti off, leave the FR on and have the Observer sign the written
declaration, adding the date & time.

Judy

(Steve Leonard quoted:
At 23:45 29 September 2009, Chris Ruf wrote:
... it would be a major hassle to have to switch back
and forth between Contest ID and N Number. This could be mutually
exclusive if you wanted to do a declared task during a contest day.

Chris

The scorer may have put in some extra time at the 18-meter Nationals to
get this squared away, but I recall seeing a number of competitors' IGC
files posted online in July, and some did, others didn't include a
contest number in the "Glider ID" Field.

As it happens, "Glider ID" is the data field IGC Technical Specs for FRs
have for years defined as a mandatory "Header Record" for ""the unique
registration alphanumeric of the individual aircraft." Given some
variation among FR models, the data will appear at IGC file line 6 or
thereabouts, preceded by "HFGIDGLIDERID:".

The next ten or so IGC file lines are reserved for other mandatory Header
Records and below these, Tech Specs provide for a "Competition ID" line,
starting with
"HFCIDCOMPETITIONID:" This is an optional data field, but most FRs DO
provide for it.

Perhaps some new equations need to be added, but scoring programs - like
the spreadsheet I use for claim evaluation - can parse out anything
that's in a predictable place and/or marked by clear identifying text.

Judy

On Sep 30, 3:15*pm, Judy Ruprecht wrote:
[snip]
Please check your User Guide for the 302 - I seem to recall that the
omni-present declaration is a user-set option in this model... if so, you
may want to see what the other option(s) is/are.
[snip]

Judy

I am pretty sure there are no settings in the Cambridge 302 that
change this type of declaration behavior or persistence. There are no
settings exposed in the Cambridge utilities or in the documented
dataport commands, and the 302 documentation describes only one
behavior of "Header data is stored with each flight log file. This
means pilot name and task declarations can be changed from flight to
flight." After hassles with people clobbering past declarations with
the Model 20/25 I bet they were happy to be able to claim that.

I suspect the main area of confusion is always just editing/defining a
task vs. actually declaring it, whether doing so from a PDA or from a
Cambridge 303.

So with a 302 you can change the declaration and it will persist for
all future flights until changed again or deleted. The documentation
implies the change to the task is supposed to be made to the next
flight log--in principle stopping you accidentally editing your
current declaration. But I have never tested what actually happens
with the 302 if you try this.

Darryl

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Africa,Sir i am requesting for your assistance for an investiment in your
country which i will want my money to be transferd to your account for an
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