Marine Corps or Navy

wrote:


I'm not fit enough to be a Marine right now, but if I decide I want to
go down that path, I will start to get into shape. Any other things
that I should think about?

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]

My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get the
better end of the stick. ;-
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

I'm not fit enough to be a Marine right now, but if I decide I want to
go down that path, I will start to get into shape. Any other things
that I should think about?

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]


Is that really the case? I'm easily fit enough for the Naval PRTs, but
I hear that the Marines are much harder. I heard they do 15-mile "joy
runs" and that kind of thing... probably couldn't do that.


My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get the
better end of the stick. ;-

Well, the Marines have that PLC program, which makes life easier if
your school doesn't have NROTC. Granted, my firts two choices due, but
there's a chance I don't get in there.

Thanks,

Jason

wrote:

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]

Is that really the case? I'm easily fit enough for the Naval PRTs, but
I hear that the Marines are much harder. I heard they do 15-mile "joy
runs" and that kind of thing... probably couldn't do that.

Not until you're well out in gruntland. I'm a little out of date on
the PRT/PFT, and they're doing crunches instead of sit-up nowadays,
but IIRC [and remember, I never took this particular form PRT/PFT
until I was in my late 20s] a 3-mile run in under 20 minutes, 80-100
sit-ups, and a dozen/dozen-and-a-half pull-ups would have done you
good in my day. [They were not "kipless" pull-ups. Kipping was
rampant in my day. ;-]

What killed me every other day in boot camp was that damned "twice or
three times around the parade deck" at oh-dark-hundred, 5 minutes
after reveille. ;- [The rifle exercises on alternate days were a
piece of cake.]

My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get the
better end of the stick. ;-

Well, the Marines have that PLC program, which makes life easier if
your school doesn't have NROTC. Granted, my firts two choices due, but
there's a chance I don't get in there.

*But*, PLC does, AIUI, have an aviation guarantee, if you're
physically/mentally qualified and accepted. [Guaranteed that you'll
be ordered to flight training after TBS. After that, it's in your
hands whether or not you get wings.]
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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wrote:

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]

Is that really the case? I'm easily fit enough for the Naval PRTs, but
I hear that the Marines are much harder. I heard they do 15-mile "joy
runs" and that kind of thing... probably couldn't do that.

Not until you're well out in gruntland. I'm a little out of date on
the PRT/PFT, and they're doing crunches instead of sit-up nowadays,
but IIRC [and remember, I never took this particular form PRT/PFT
until I was in my late 20s] a 3-mile run in under 20 minutes, 80-100
sit-ups, and a dozen/dozen-and-a-half pull-ups would have done you
good in my day. [They were not "kipless" pull-ups. Kipping was
rampant in my day. ;-]

What killed me every other day in boot camp was that damned "twice or
three times around the parade deck" at oh-dark-hundred, 5 minutes
after reveille. ;- [The rifle exercises on alternate days were a
piece of cake.]

My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get the
better end of the stick. ;-

Well, the Marines have that PLC program, which makes life easier if
your school doesn't have NROTC. Granted, my firts two choices due, but
there's a chance I don't get in there.

*But*, PLC does, AIUI, have an aviation guarantee, if you're
physically/mentally qualified and accepted. [Guaranteed that you'll
be ordered to flight training after TBS. After that, it's in your
hands whether or not you get wings.]
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

From a recent conversation with my-son-in-law who is stationed at TBS (The
Basic School) at Quantico I believe the goal is every Officer Canidate has
to run all distances at a rete of 8 minutes a mile or less. The PFT run is
3 miles. I believe the the goal is to score 225 points + out of a possiable
300 points. The three mile run in 18 minutes is 100 points, and 28 minutes
(the maximum) 40 points. Pull-ups are 5 points each, with 4 being minimum.
Crunches I think are one point each with 40 minimum. (I am fairly confident
of these figures). But the minimum will not let you graduate from TBS. IIRC
I believe he said the longest timed run was 7 miles, and it was in PT gear.
However they do, forced marches with uniform, weapon, and equipment, of
longer distances. And they have the infamous "Hill Trail". I believe he also
said that group runs (either in PT gear or uniform) were at a slower pace,
due to the need to keep formation.

Red

"R" wrote:

From a recent conversation with my-son-in-law who is stationed at TBS (The
Basic School) at Quantico I believe the goal is every Officer Canidate has
to run all distances at a rete of 8 minutes a mile or less. The PFT run is
3 miles. I believe the the goal is to score 225 points + out of a possiable
300 points. The three mile run in 18 minutes is 100 points, and 28 minutes
(the maximum) 40 points. Pull-ups are 5 points each, with 4 being minimum.
Crunches I think are one point each with 40 minimum. (I am fairly confident
of these figures). But the minimum will not let you graduate from TBS. IIRC
I believe he said the longest timed run was 7 miles, and it was in PT gear.
However they do, forced marches with uniform, weapon, and equipment, of
longer distances. And they have the infamous "Hill Trail". I believe he also
said that group runs (either in PT gear or uniform) were at a slower pace,
due to the need to keep formation.

Thanks, Red. It is amazing how much slips your mind in 20 years, and
I couldn't find the current PFT requirements on the USMC web site.
They're probably there, but buried deep.

Minimum score for passing at 3rd class, and for making 2nd and 1st
class, vary by age. And whatever your age, you'll need to pick up
points for total score among the individual events, whose minimums, in
total, are short of the 3rd class minimum score requirement. e.g., if
you manage only the minimum required for your age in pull-ups, you'll
have to do more than the minimum in sit-ups^Wcrunches and/or the run
for your age to pick up the points you need to pass.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

Here are the figures for a PFT:

Run 3 miles: 18 minutes is a perfect 100 points. Every 10 seconds more is
1 point less. So if you run 23 minutes, you scored a 70 of 100.

Pullups: 5 points each, 20 is perfect for 100 points. And these are
dead-hang pullups, arms fully extended each rep and no body language.

Crunches: 1 point each, 100 is perfect.

Add em up to 300. 220 or is it 225 is a "First Class" I would imagine
officers are expected to be much much higher than this. Age comes into play
at 27, the scores are a little more lenient. But when I was in A-school in
Pensacola, I never saw an officer that couldnt outrun jackrabbits or do tons
of effort-less pullups. I sure as hell have never seen a pilot less than
herculean.

I forget the time frame but I believe their basic was 3 months just like
enlisted but the TBS was 8-9 months as opposed to our MCT (combat training
for non-infantry) was 3 weeks. So in total, your minimum basic training
will be almost a year. And that's before you go to your A-school to learn
the job you'll do. Dont know the numbers for Navy but I believe them to be
much, much shorter. So do you want to spend a year learning how to drill,
land navigation, water purification, squad tactics and fill out paperwork?
Or would you rather just get it over with and start working?

Also, you'll have to talk to an officer to get the full story, but I do
believe USMC officers have 2 jobs at all times. One is your main job (like
pilot) and other is something green side. Again, just something to ask
someone else. I believe it is a big difference between MC officer and the
others as far as that goes.

And as far as quality of life, oh I'd have to vote Navy or MC 10x over.
Just look at the location of the bases. That should tell you enough. It
depends on what you're looking for though. As far as selection of jets,
bases, assignments - Navy. I only know enlisted but as far as rate of
promotion, Navy once more.

As any active duty or prior military would tell you, dont listen to these
recruiters, advertisements, pamphlets, magazine articles, whatever. Find
out the truth from those within. It's a huge committment and they are very
good at making you see what they want you to see. Gotta weigh in the total
picture. Wish I could tell you more but I only know what little I know.




"R" wrote in message
m...

"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
...
wrote:

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]

Is that really the case? I'm easily fit enough for the Naval PRTs, but
I hear that the Marines are much harder. I heard they do 15-mile "joy
runs" and that kind of thing... probably couldn't do that.

Not until you're well out in gruntland. I'm a little out of date on
the PRT/PFT, and they're doing crunches instead of sit-up nowadays,
but IIRC [and remember, I never took this particular form PRT/PFT
until I was in my late 20s] a 3-mile run in under 20 minutes, 80-100
sit-ups, and a dozen/dozen-and-a-half pull-ups would have done you
good in my day. [They were not "kipless" pull-ups. Kipping was
rampant in my day. ;-]

What killed me every other day in boot camp was that damned "twice or
three times around the parade deck" at oh-dark-hundred, 5 minutes
after reveille. ;- [The rifle exercises on alternate days were a
piece of cake.]

My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I
want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get
the
better end of the stick. ;-

Well, the Marines have that PLC program, which makes life easier if
your school doesn't have NROTC. Granted, my firts two choices due, but
there's a chance I don't get in there.

*But*, PLC does, AIUI, have an aviation guarantee, if you're
physically/mentally qualified and accepted. [Guaranteed that you'll
be ordered to flight training after TBS. After that, it's in your
hands whether or not you get wings.]
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

From a recent conversation with my-son-in-law who is stationed at TBS (The
Basic School) at Quantico I believe the goal is every Officer Canidate has
to run all distances at a rete of 8 minutes a mile or less. The PFT run
is
3 miles. I believe the the goal is to score 225 points + out of a
possiable
300 points. The three mile run in 18 minutes is 100 points, and 28 minutes
(the maximum) 40 points. Pull-ups are 5 points each, with 4 being minimum.
Crunches I think are one point each with 40 minimum. (I am fairly
confident
of these figures). But the minimum will not let you graduate from TBS.
IIRC
I believe he said the longest timed run was 7 miles, and it was in PT
gear.
However they do, forced marches with uniform, weapon, and equipment, of
longer distances. And they have the infamous "Hill Trail". I believe he
also
said that group runs (either in PT gear or uniform) were at a slower pace,
due to the need to keep formation.

Red

In article , "dgray0310"
wrote:

[snip]

I'm not fit enough to be a Marine right now, but if I decide I want to
go down that path, I will start to get into shape. Any other things

[snip]

Hey, if you aren't in shape, believe me the Marines will cure
that particular problem.

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"ian maclure" wrote:

:In article , "dgray0310"
wrote:
:
: [snip]
:
: I'm not fit enough to be a Marine right now, but if I decide I want to
: go down that path, I will start to get into shape. Any other things
:
: [snip]
:
: Hey, if you aren't in shape, believe me the Marines will cure
: that particular problem.

Or you.


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wrote in sci.military.naval:

I am interested in pursuing a career in the Navy or Marine Corps,
quite possibly as an Aviation officer. I recently met with a
former Army officer, and he was telling me about parts of a
military career that I didn't know about. For example, he
mentioned that you can become a "military attache" in another
country. He also mentioned embassy duties and working in the
Pentagon. How hard are these kind of tours to get? Is there a
difference Navy vs. Marines?

When I came in there were a lot of guys trying to "game the system"
deciding whether to go USN or USMC based on the probability of
getting into flight school. You didn't have to commit to Marines
until your junior year.

As far as commissioning source effect on promotion: none.
As far as working in the Pentagon, some try hard to avoid it at
all costs, some try to get there. It generally is considered
valuable, or maybe mandatory to Captains. Naval attache is pretty
hard to get, more luck than anything else (you have to be in the
right place at the right time).

scott s.
..

"scott s." wrote in message 8.161...
wrote in sci.military.naval:

I am interested in pursuing a career in the Navy or Marine Corps,
quite possibly as an Aviation officer. I recently met with a
former Army officer, and he was telling me about parts of a
military career that I didn't know about. For example, he
mentioned that you can become a "military attache" in another
country. He also mentioned embassy duties and working in the
Pentagon. How hard are these kind of tours to get? Is there a
difference Navy vs. Marines?

When I came in there were a lot of guys trying to "game the system"
deciding whether to go USN or USMC based on the probability of
getting into flight school. You didn't have to commit to Marines
until your junior year.

As far as commissioning source effect on promotion: none.
As far as working in the Pentagon, some try hard to avoid it at
all costs, some try to get there. It generally is considered
valuable, or maybe mandatory to Captains. Naval attache is pretty
hard to get, more luck than anything else (you have to be in the
right place at the right time).

Naval attache is not hard to get. Since the only
requirement is that you can't be a CIA agent.


scott s.
.