INS Alignment at Sea

John- Two axis VGI, TACAN and ADF, cockpit lighting by afterthought, single
engine, "interesting" dirty flying qualities. A night in the life I'm glad
is far behind me. BRBR

C'mon John, didn't ya enjoy being 'lost' everytime ya lost sight of the CV?(Me
neither)...

I remeber one transit(VF-151, Midway-Maru) where we flew, daytime, complete
Ziplip, just to FAGAT, but the F-4 guys had to stay overhead the CV, so not to
get lost. Interestingly, the only guy to break ziplip was a A-7 guy who's
system crashed...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Old Girls??
Try doing a "must make it" approach into one of our winter wonderland
seismic strips on Melville Island NWT (That's just past Resolute Bay for
those that don't know the North) with 100 + nuthing in snow using an ****ty
DG and a very good set of Eyeballs, or motoring around the Beaufort Sea with
ADFs and a very erractic Omega. Of course this wasn't combat as no one
except the locals were shooting at us when we were in Alaska flying out of
Barrow. (wait a minute isn't that the same thing?) I found a few 30-30 holes
in our Aztec so I guess that applies
Sum of us old Farts really like using the new stuff after those days

GW
EX RCAF with 20+ years in the North where men are men and Polar Bears are
always hungry



"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 11/3/03 8:27 AM, in article
,
"Pechs1" wrote:

cf- I am conversant with commercial INS and old military INS (LN3) and
know
that
the best alignment occurs when the a/c is stationary. Now my question.
How is the INS aligned at sea on a carrier that is moving at 30kts?
BRBR

geeezzz, INS, GPS....what a bunch of girls..
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

Ouch. Here I thought I was a stud. |:-)

Gary,

Of course this wasn't combat as no one except the locals were shooting at
us when we were in Alaska flying out of Barrow.

Sea story time.

When RA-5C community set up shop at NAS Albany, GA (ex-Turner AFB) they
brought with them a quaint Naval Air tradition unknown to those whose
aviation horizons had been limited to the Blue Suit way of life:

Night FCLPs.

One of my RAN buddies told me that he saw more muzzle flashes over the
approach end of the duty runway than during two cruises over Route Pack 6.

So you don't need to freeze your cajones off to have your aircraft shot at
in North America.

--
Mike Kanze

436 Greenbrier Road
Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259
USA

650-726-7890

"When was the last time in world history in which 'suicide' and 'martyrdom'
were the code of enlightened action admired by any society?"

- Roy Fassel (WALL STREET JOURNAL, 10/27/03)


"Gary Watson" cf104@ihate spam.shaw.ca wrote in message
news:wkEpb.284805$6C4.114869@pd7tw1no...
Old Girls??
Try doing a "must make it" approach into one of our winter wonderland
seismic strips on Melville Island NWT (That's just past Resolute Bay for
those that don't know the North) with 100 + nuthing in snow using an
****ty
DG and a very good set of Eyeballs, or motoring around the Beaufort Sea
with
ADFs and a very erractic Omega. Of course this wasn't combat as no one
except the locals were shooting at us when we were in Alaska flying out of
Barrow. (wait a minute isn't that the same thing?) I found a few 30-30
holes
in our Aztec so I guess that applies
Sum of us old Farts really like using the new stuff after those days

GW
EX RCAF with 20+ years in the North where men are men and Polar Bears are
always hungry
[rest snipped]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:22:51 -0800, "Mike Kanze"
wrote:

Gary,

Of course this wasn't combat as no one except the locals were shooting at
us when we were in Alaska flying out of Barrow.

Sea story time.

When RA-5C community set up shop at NAS Albany, GA (ex-Turner AFB) they
brought with them a quaint Naval Air tradition unknown to those whose
aviation horizons had been limited to the Blue Suit way of life:

Night FCLPs.

One of my RAN buddies told me that he saw more muzzle flashes over the
approach end of the duty runway than during two cruises over Route Pack 6.

So you don't need to freeze your cajones off to have your aircraft shot at
in North America.


Query: FCLPs?

Field
Carrier
Landing
Practice

Bill Kambic

If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.

?

Night FCLPs.

Here locally, MCAS Beaufort has it put in the local newspaper when
FCLP's are scheduled. They are all back on the deck by put to bed
by 2300.

Leanne

We "girls" led more than one little lost lamb of a fighter through the goo.
And gave them gas as well.

--
Mike Kanze

436 Greenbrier Road
Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259
USA

650-726-7890

"When was the last time in world history in which 'suicide' and 'martyrdom'
were the code of enlightened action admired by any society?"

- Roy Fassel (WALL STREET JOURNAL, 10/27/03)


"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
cf- I am conversant with commercial INS and old military INS (LN3) and
know
that
the best alignment occurs when the a/c is stationary. Now my question.
How is the INS aligned at sea on a carrier that is moving at 30kts?
BRBR

geeezzz, INS, GPS....what a bunch of girls..
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

Boy do I feel old. In the true bomber days of the A-3 we actually
carried a chronometer and a bubble sextant, shot the stars and got a
three-point fix. Ditto the sun and LAN local apparent noon. Plus a
"potty" of sorts and a working p-tube. Box lunches were in order, 3 or 4
hour cycles were the norm (I even flew once with Charlie James refueling
from A-4 tankers for eight hours.) We'd estimate surface winds by
checking the sea, and we even did pressure pattern navigation out to
Bermuda.

What's all this about gyros and other gizmos? (OK, Whidbey started
getting ASB-7 c. 1961 while we on the east coast stuck with the modified
Norden ASB-1a bombing system.)
Joel McEachen VAH-5 (Mushmouths)

Mike Kanze wrote:

We "girls" led more than one little lost lamb of a fighter through the goo.
And gave them gas as well.

"J. McEachen" wrote in message

Boy do I feel old. In the true bomber days of the A-3 we actually
carried a chronometer and a bubble sextant, shot the stars and got a
three-point fix. Ditto the sun and LAN local apparent noon. Plus a
"potty" of sorts and a working p-tube. Box lunches were in order, 3 or 4
hour cycles were the norm (I even flew once with Charlie James refueling
from A-4 tankers for eight hours.) We'd estimate surface winds by
checking the sea, and we even did pressure pattern navigation out to
Bermuda.

YOU feel old?!?!?!?!?!

Hell, I used to teach the MK6 Plotting Board to S2 types as FASOTRAGRULANT
QUONSET & CECIL in '72-'73!!!!! :-)

My primary traning film was made during WWII (and that's a No ****; we were
ordered to destroy it in 1973 due to references to "Japs" and other
politically incorrect language and immagery; we kept using it until the S2
program shut down).

What's all this about gyros and other gizmos? (OK, Whidbey started
getting ASB-7 c. 1961 while we on the east coast stuck with the modified
Norden ASB-1a bombing system.)
Joel McEachen VAH-5 (Mushmouths)

The good old Stoof had the ASN-30A. It was an electro-mechanical plotter
that got fed by a TAS computer, gyro, and doppler radar. The warranty was
good for 3 traps and/or arrestments. Then it would give up the ghost and it
was back to the ouija board (MK6). And, of course, the polar plotting
charts used by the 'Shoes (I can't remember the designation). Trying to do
Julie plotting at 100' using dividers with string attached to calculate A+B
elipses was interesting work.

Bill Kambic

If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.

Mike- We "girls" led more than one little lost lamb of a fighter through the
goo.
And gave them gas as well. BRBR


Yep, nuthin' better than a KA-6 or KA-7 as pathfinder..But we got to stand up
in the RR, puff out of chests, shake our big watches and say how we found the
boat following the trail of trash and oil left behind the CV during EMCON
recoverys.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer