New ASK-21prices

Kirk,
Buy new PW-6. In most respects as good as K-21 .
For the money you'll save you can add a couple of used PW-5.
Great set for any Club.

On Oct 21, 8:53*pm, RRK wrote:
Kirk,
Buy new PW-6. In most respects as good as K-21 .
For the money you'll save you can add a couple of used PW-5.
Great set for any Club.

I've flown both and while the PW-6 is a very nice glider, it's not in
the same league as the ASK-21.

The two ASK-21's I fly are 30 years old having led a hard life with
the USAFA and CAP but they still look almost new with barely any
cracks in the gelcoat. ASK-21's are RUGGED!

I have given instruction and rides in a 2-33, and a Grob 103. The
ASK-21's I have flown were close enough to the Grob to make any
difference in flying them inconsequential. I hated every minute I
spent in the 2-33. Flying pig comes to mind when thinking of the
2-33. The rear seat is very uncomfortable in the 2-33. Going away
from the airport in the 2-33 is not for the faint of heart, glide
ratio of a brick. It is much easier to teach someone to fly the 2-33
than the Grob. Transitioning someone from the 2-33 to the Grob is
more difficult than one would first think. Students trained in the
Grob have very little difficulty transitioning to a single place glass
ship, stepping out of a 2-33 into a single place glass ship would be a
pretty big challenge for most low time pilots. If the goal of the club
is to hook people on the sport, train cross country pilots, and get
the cross country pilots in to competition flying, then sell the 2-33
to someone who does not know any better, and buy the ASK 21, or better
yet a Duo Discus. Resale value, and being able to get parts over the
expected 35 year life of the aircraft should make one pause before
buying a PW6.

SF

On Oct 23, 2:01*pm, SF wrote:
The ASK-21's I have flown were close enough to the Grob to make any
difference in flying them inconsequential

That surprises me. The control feel or harmony of the K-21 is, in my
opinion, far superior to the G103 (either the twin pig or the Acro)
and the retract gear version is a killer in the back seat. About the
only thing to dislike about the K-21 is the rear canopy.

Andy (GY)

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Andy wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:01*pm, SF wrote:
The ASK-21's I have flown were close enough to the Grob to make any
difference in flying them inconsequential

That surprises me. The control feel or harmony of the K-21 is, in my
opinion, far superior to the G103 (either the twin pig or the Acro)
and the retract gear version is a killer in the back seat. About the
only thing to dislike about the K-21 is the rear canopy.

I agree. My club has one of each, and I much prefer to fly the ASK-21
even though I'm a large guy and the Grob has a significantly more
comfortable cockpit for my size. It flies well enough, and transitioning
from the ASK-21 to the Grob during my training was pretty
straightforward, but it just gets to be tiring to fly in thermals or
bumpy conditions.

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