Death of the newsgroup.

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
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I went and looked in again.
I dunno, Dan.
The forum format doesn't work for me.
TOO many topics, and too little traffic.

Richard Lamb
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web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

That's the same way that it looked to me.

Unless I have a specific issue to search, probably related to a current
project, the forum format is simply too tedious for normal reading and
exchange of ideas. Perhaps someone will find a way to implement an HTTP
based format that can work like NNTP; but, so far, I haven't seen it
Regrettably, I am not presently able to provide a news server that could
host a moderated group until the related service could gain general
acceptance--so I will just have to put up with the situation as it exists
and hope that the condition proves temporary.

Peter Dohm

On Nov 26, 10:03 pm, CaveLamb wrote:

Go to homebuiltairplanes.com and register. We're all over
there now. It's moderated, as it needs to be, no foolishness is
tolerated and we have some good discussions.

Dan

I went and looked in again.
I dunno, Dan.
The forum format doesn't work for me.
TOO many topics, and too little traffic.

Just go there and click on "What's New" and the entire list of new
posts comes up, sorta like it does with this and the other usenet
groups. You don't have to weed through the various forums. If there's
less activity there it's due to the lack of flaming and other
nonsense. It's not missed.

Dan

writes:

Go to homebuiltairplanes.com and register. We're all over
there now. It's moderated, as it needs to be, no foolishness is
tolerated and we have some good discussions.

Or google for the matronics lists (there are a number of different ones)
and get on board. Very, very high signal-to-noise ratio, it's 98% tech
stuff. That would screen out Jay Honeck and the rest of the yakkers, and
of course the pure nimrods.
--
"Normally, change happens only when the pain of continuing exceeds
the pain of making the change. The leaders will be those who dare to
change sooner."

writes:

Go to homebuiltairplanes.com and register. We're all over
there now. It's moderated, as it needs to be, no foolishness is
tolerated and we have some good discussions.

Or google for the matronics lists (there are a number of different ones)
and get on board. Very, very high signal-to-noise ratio, it's 98% tech
stuff. That would screen out Jay Honeck and the rest of the yakkers, and
of course the pure nimrods.
--
"Normally, change happens only when the pain of continuing exceeds
the pain of making the change. The leaders will be those who dare to
change sooner."

writes:

Go to homebuiltairplanes.com and register. We're all over
there now. It's moderated, as it needs to be, no foolishness is
tolerated and we have some good discussions.

Or google for the matronics lists (there are a number of different ones)
and get on board. Very, very high signal-to-noise ratio, it's 98% tech
stuff. That would screen out Jay Honeck and the rest of the yakkers, and
of course the pure nimrods.
--
"Normally, change happens only when the pain of continuing exceeds
the pain of making the change. The leaders will be those who dare to
change sooner."

May be we're just old farts holding on to antiquated technology?
Isn't everyone blogging now? What is a blog anyway and how do you
blog about airplanes?

Yeah I'm old.

Blogging off.

Chris

Dancing Fingers writes:

May be we're just old farts holding on to antiquated technology?
Maybe. But this antiquated technology--Usenet--is still the best way to
exchange ideas, nimrods and trolls aside:

- One place to get every topic you're interested in. In contrast, with
forums you have to create a login for each one, even in the same
topic!
- Newsreaders (I use gnus within Emacs) can efficiently display messages
and allow the user to rapidly page through posts.
- Very efficient use of bandwidth, both Internet and mine. No stupid
cutesy images, avatars, blah blah.
- Newsreaders can be setup to screen out the idiots. In this case gnus
is probably the most powerful but also the most difficult to learn.
--
Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life.
- I. Kant

"Bug Dout" wrote in message
...
Dancing Fingers writes:

May be we're just old farts holding on to antiquated technology?
Maybe. But this antiquated technology--Usenet--is still the best way to
exchange ideas, nimrods and trolls aside:

- One place to get every topic you're interested in. In contrast, with
forums you have to create a login for each one, even in the same
topic!
- Newsreaders (I use gnus within Emacs) can efficiently display messages
and allow the user to rapidly page through posts.
- Very efficient use of bandwidth, both Internet and mine. No stupid
cutesy images, avatars, blah blah.
- Newsreaders can be setup to screen out the idiots. In this case gnus
is probably the most powerful but also the most difficult to learn.
--
Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life.
- I. Kant

Basically, the big problem of the past year or so has been the departure of
the ISPs, especially those that were part of the telephone companies. That
has left us all with fewer contributors, amounting to less "signal", and the
same amount of "noise" so that the ratio looks much poorer.

For the moment, I am prepared to stick around and see what happens. I don't
get to read every day; but this is still the best format for exactly the
reasons just stated, and therefore it is worth preserving.

Peter

On 11/28/2010 4:47 AM, Dancing Fingers wrote:
May be we're just old farts holding on to antiquated technology?
Isn't everyone blogging now? What is a blog anyway and how do you
blog about airplanes?

Yeah I'm old.

Blogging off.

Chris


OK, I can't resist: Steve McQueen starred in "The Blog."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

With the abundance of yahoo specific groups, where just about every
popular homebuilt has a builders group, and the matronics groups,
there is so much good info out there in these and similar sites which
didn't exist years ago. So the need for the all-encompassing
newsgroup like this one is lessend. And over time the number of users
has dropped off due to various reasons. Plus, usenet is being used by
fewer people. Most computer users I've talked to have no clue about
usenet. And once users see there's not much going on in a group like
this, they check it less and less often. And so many usenet groups,
including this one, keep getting inundated with spam. But I see that
in the yahoo groups also. A scourge of the interent. And the ones who
target usenet have many reasons to hate them. Such as using a
different email address for every one of their worthless posts. So the
filters in our usenet readers don't work. The only way to really keep
them out would be to have a password access system. But usenet isn't
setup for that. The one part of usenet that seems to keep alive are
the binary groups. And that's another reason I think this group is
less popular, is the fact we can't post pictures. It would be so much
better if we could. To be able to show a picture of a part we we were
working on, or a homebuilt we owned or were buiding, would add so much
more. The old saying a picture is worth a thousand words is never more
true. So why put up with this limitation? It gets old. This group is
a victim of it's ancient limitations.
Rich



On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:39:32 -0800 (PST), gorgon
wrote:

I am pulling the plug on this newsgroup. It is now officially dead in
my opinion. RIP Bob Hoover..may you not turn over in your grave. With
the last infiltration post ..rant. or whatever you call it, I am done
with this group. There hasn't been a decent topic thread in months.
Maybe it is time. When one looks at all the Yahoo groups that still
have an interest in aviation AND courteous, helpful members that stay
on topic (Tailwind, Buttercup, Aeronca, etc) this group is a dinosaur.

Bye