GPS Testing?

On May 21, 6:49*am, wrote:
On 5/20/2011 9:46 PM, ZL wrote:

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.

There are numerous news stories, that would indicate the NOTAM refers to
testing for the FCC certification of Lightspeed's use of an adjacent
frequency spectrum, to one of the GPS signal frequencies, for a
nationwide 4G broadband network.http://www.insidegnss.com/node/2589
Lightspeed's final FCC license approval is contingent upon proving that
their broadband signal will not interfere with GPS signals.
Tests, prior to the current NOTAM, have indicated there is some level of
interference.


Thanks for the info. I wondered if this NOTAM had anything to do with
this Lightspeed mess.
Tim "EY"

OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!

Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.


"ZL" wrote in message
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Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave

On May 21, 9:56*am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!

Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.

"ZL" wrote in message

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Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave- Hide quoted text -

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Dan,

You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
logs to submit for the contest.

This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
the effected locations for OLC submissions.

Mike

Dust off those cameras... Or use an honor system.


"Mike" wrote in message
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On May 21, 9:56 am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!

Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.

"ZL" wrote in message

...



Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dan,

You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
logs to submit for the contest.

This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
the effected locations for OLC submissions.

Mike

On May 21, 6:21*pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
Dust off those cameras... *Or use an honor system.

"Mike" wrote in message

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On May 21, 9:56 am, "Dan Marotta" wrote:









OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!

Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.

"ZL" wrote in message

...

Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dan,

You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
logs to submit for the contest.

This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
the effected locations for OLC submissions.

Mike

Hey, so maybe the Luddites get their day in the sun. We need a Plan B
for GPS outages.

Just have to figure out how to use digital cameras like old film types
which are hopelessly obsolete. At least there won't be a sleepy
looking guy who smells like darkroom chemicals at breakfast the next
day.

Or, if that's too much tech, the contest organizers can send crews out
to the turn points to lay out white panels in a pattern that changes
every 15 minutes. The pilots would just have to write down the time
and the pattern they saw (with a #2 pencil, of course) to prove they
rounded a turn point. The organizers would also have to find an old
timer who remembers how to run a start gate and finish line.

Since a number of pilots will get lost and land out without their GPS,
there will be something for the crews to do again - maybe with the
Beatles and Elvis on the car radio.

Bill D

On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL wrote:
Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave

We are on the case and will make a determination about whether to go/
no go/postpone the contest at least one week before the first practice
day (June 4). We are among those driving a long way to get there!

Update on GPS Testing Issue:

The request is now in the proper hands at the DOD (Washington, DC) and
has been presented to DOD by the FAA (!). We have been promised a
reply within two days. It is not LightSquared related.

So we should have an answer to when/if the contest is happening
sooner, rather than later. Please Stand By.

EY

On May 24, 5:28*pm, Tim wrote:
Update on GPS Testing Issue:

The request is now in the proper hands at the DOD (Washington, DC) and
has been presented to DOD by the FAA (!). *We have been promised a
reply within two days. It is not LightSquared related.

So we should have an answer to when/if the contest is happening
sooner, rather than later. Please Stand By.

EY

Tim,

Thanks for the comprehensive approach.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

Fingers are crossed! Thanks so much for working on this - really
looking forward to attending this contest!

Bruno - B4

Hooray!

Looks like the Moriarty Super Regional is GO based on the revised
NOTAM found at:

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/noti...t_Advisory.pdf

If I am reading it right the outage times are now limited to between
either 7PM - 3AM local OR 7PM - 12AM local. Even if I am off on my Z-
time this is pretty much limited to the overnight hours.

This should also free up 18m Nationals from any concerns as well.

Thanks go to the local team at Moriarty for helping this process
along.

Tim & Susan McAllister "Team EY"