Best PDA/PNA for FLARM display?

In many situations typical IPAQ displays are not easily readable in
the cockpit. If you have a collision alarm and spend time looking down
at a tired old display, you're defeating the purpose of a collision
avoidance system.
ClearNav, Ultimate and Altair will provide bright, readable displays.
Some others too (Samsung Galaxy Tab, Iphone, etc).
Besides a bright display, I believe the Butterfly remote will be
required for audio volume control.
Jim

On Aug 24, 2:01*pm, JS wrote:
In many situations typical IPAQ displays are not easily readable in
the cockpit. If you have a collision alarm and spend time looking down
at a tired old display, you're defeating the purpose of a collision
avoidance system.
ClearNav, Ultimate and Altair will provide bright, readable displays.
Some others too (Samsung Galaxy Tab, Iphone, etc).
Besides a bright display, I believe the Butterfly remote will be
required for audio volume control.
Jim

Thanks to all posters so far. As I thought about this issue myself
overnight, I came to the conclusion that I will need to have the
Butterfly display in a prominent and visible location in/on my panel,
regardless of whether or not I decide to integrate PF output into one
or both of my nav instruments. For instance, I know that ClearNav has
a 3-second update loop, which means that it could be as much as 3
seconds between the time that PF issues a collision alert and the time
that ClearNav displays the corresponding FLARM hits. 3 seconds at
maybe 200-300 fps closure - ouch! This is all independent of the fact
that the Butterfly display is optimized for conflict resolution, and
nav systems aren't. Oh well, back to figuring out where I'm going to
put the Butterfly display! ;-).

TA

XCSoar for Altair shows Flarm really well, not sure if XCSoar on a PDA does
as well.
Tom

At 15:24 24 August 2011, Paul Remde wrote:
Hi Frank,

SeeYou Mobile and your ClearNav can currently display FLARM traffic and
climb rates, etc.

I'm not aware of any soaring software or hardware that can currently
display
the ADS-B or transponder traffic data from the PowerFLARM. I'm not
certain

whether or not the PowerFLARM will send ADS-B and transponder traffic data

out. I am optimistic that it will do so in the long run. I'm also
optimistic that soaring software will be able to display the ADS-B and
transponder traffic data in the long run. Until then, I highly recommend

using a PowerFLARM display in your cockpit. It would be a shame if the
PowerFLARM was trying to alert you to nearby ADS-B or transponder traffic

and you weren't listening.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"Frank Paynter" wrote in message
...
I flew with a portable PowerFLARM at the Uvalde pre-worlds, and I have
a 'brick' unit on order for delivery sometime this fall/winter. As I
wait for delivery, I am contemplating how to integrate it into my
current instrumentation setup.

One possibility I am considering is to not use the brick's Butterfly
display at all, assuming I can get adequate display/warnings from
FLARM data displayed on one of the many PDA/PNA moving map displays
available these days.

Does anyone have experience with FLARM display on WinPilot PRO v9,
SeeYou Mobile on an Oudie or other display, ClearNav, or other? Is
the integrated display good enough to replace the Butterfly display?

TIA,

TA

Tom Claffey wrote:
XCSoar for Altair shows Flarm really well, not sure if XCSoar on a PDA does
as well.

XCSoar has the same features on all supported platforms (Windows,
Windows CE/Mobile, Android, Linux, Mac OS X), which includes a
state-of-the-art FLARM display.

By the way, the Dell Streak Mini has the very best display with
current hardware. Unfortunately, it has gone out of production a few
weeks ago, so get one while you can.

Some photos:

http://max.kellermann.name/gallery/fliegen/streak/
http://max.kellermann.name/download/..._vs_streak.jpg

Max

Ozflarm connected to Altair works really well. Altair uses XCSoar but is
somewhat different to XCSoar for PDAs. I presume a powerflarm would work
with Altair. There is 2 displays, one pop-up display that shows all traffic
in green but conflcts in red with a direction vector, plus another display
on main map including climb-rates and comp IDs if loaded.
Tom

At 15:00 24 August 2011, John Cochrane wrote:
On Aug 24, 8:47=A0am, Frank Paynter wrote:
I flew with a portable PowerFLARM at the Uvalde pre-worlds, and I have
a 'brick' unit on order for delivery sometime this fall/winter. =A0As I
wait for delivery, I am contemplating how to integrate it into my
current instrumentation setup.

One possibility I am considering is to not use the brick's Butterfly
display at all, assuming I can get adequate display/warnings from
FLARM data displayed on one of the many PDA/PNA moving map displays
available these days.

Does anyone have experience with FLARM display on WinPilot PRO v9,
SeeYou Mobile on an Oudie or other display, ClearNav, or other? =A0Is
the integrated display good enough to replace the Butterfly display?

TIA,

TA

Clearnav shows surrounding traffic, but like the others I have seen
(winpilot, seeyou), the display is designed to complement, not
substitute for, the collision display.

I connected powerflarm to clearnav at Uvalde. The good news is, it
works. Clearnav shows the other gliders. But when there is a collision
alert powerflarm shows you which glider is the problem by making the
other glider larger and red. Clearnav (for now) doesn't show which
other glider is causing the interference. The CN display is also not
designed to take over the functionality of the big powerflarm button.

Of course with powerflarm in the US for a grand total of about 3 weeks
so far, it's an easy bet that the other software will all be modified
over the winter to take better advantage of it. Still, conventional
wisdom seems to be to put the PF display somewhere where you can see
it.

John Cochrane