Austin, TX

"Ronnie D. Hughes" wrote in
. com:
Austin Bergstrom (KAUS - the "big" airport) is quite GA friendly as
well. T-Hangars are the norm for
small piston driven GA aircraft. They are currently $260 or $270 per
month and there is a waiting list. Call Scott at Signature to get on
the T-hangar list.

Just a minor note here. Yes, the airport itself (controllers and FBO's)
are happy to have us. But the city considers us to be the scourge of
the universe. It took years to get the few hangars at AUS built (under
threat of court order), and another year (over every attempt by the
city) to be allowed to move into them.

Although there technically *is* a waiting list, Scott will tell you that
as far as anyone knows it will be a cold day in hell before any more are
built. I've been on the list for several years and there is an
estimated 20 to 25 years more wait before I may be able to move in. The
few people who have managed to move in have done so by "knowing
someone" who is moving out and simply sub-letting from them. Probably
illegal, but done all the time. Money talks.

As you have read on this thread, both Georgetown and San Marcos are nice
airports. The drive from central Austin is about 35 minutes to each at
2 in the morning. Can be a couple of hours if there is a wreck on the
freeway.

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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:00:02 GMT, "Ronnie D. Hughes"
wrote:


There is also Lakeway, forgot the ID, but I never go in there. Also no
night ops, private lots around the runway, and higher priced real estate
around. Typical house and hangar combos there are $500K and up.
Too rich for me. Rumor has it that the Lakeway police will
issue a citation ($250?) if you land or takeoff after sunset, but before
dark.
They take their no nighttime ops rules seriously.

Lakeway is 3R9. I've been there a few times and they seem plenty
friendly to transient visitors. No hangar space but they'll lease you
outdoor tiedown space if you join the airport club and if there is
spaces available.

The no-night ops is pretty reasonable at this particular airport due
to the terrain and homes right next to, and at either end of the
runway. Fairly steep approaches are needed at either end of the runway
(no "dragging it in low and slow" here or someone will need a new roof
on their house) plus the large number of deer and other wildlife on
the runway could make it a rather dangerous place for night ops. I
nearly hit a deer on landing there myself.

I just got finished a 777 Tokyo trip with the most meticulous, cautious
captain I've seen in years.

He and another American pilot recently got caught up in Lakeway's New
Millenium version of a rural southern speedtrap.

My guy landed in daylight, having been giving sightseeing rides to
residents. At about 100 feet on short final, he heard a voice saying
that the airport was closed.

The comment made no sense, and he landed.

Ten minutes or so later, as he walked to his car, a constable pulled up
and issued him a $ 1 , 2 0 0 "citation" for landing after sunset.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!













Neal wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:00:02 GMT, "Ronnie D. Hughes"
wrote:


There is also Lakeway, forgot the ID, but I never go in there. Also
no
night ops, private lots around the runway, and higher priced real
estate
around. Typical house and hangar combos there are $500K and up.
Too rich for me. Rumor has it that the Lakeway police will
issue a citation ($250?) if you land or takeoff after sunset, but
before
dark.
They take their no nighttime ops rules seriously.

Lakeway is 3R9. I've been there a few times and they seem plenty
friendly to transient visitors. No hangar space but they'll lease you
outdoor tiedown space if you join the airport club and if there is
spaces available.

The no-night ops is pretty reasonable at this particular airport due
to the terrain and homes right next to, and at either end of the
runway. Fairly steep approaches are needed at either end of the
runway
(no "dragging it in low and slow" here or someone will need a new
roof
on their house) plus the large number of deer and other wildlife on
the runway could make it a rather dangerous place for night ops. I
nearly hit a deer on landing there myself.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.


He can likely avoid this by hiring a traffic ticket lawyer. In Texas,
rarely do these guys lose a case. He might also want to get the AOPA on his
side. Seems they may be running afoul of Federal turf.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!


The people at Lakeway have never really wanted anyone to come there that
they did not know. Unfortunately, almost all the other airports around have
been closed by the NIMBY's (Austin is famous for its idiot activist
population who think government can and should solve every complaint and
inconvenience). Also, the dear thing is just getting out of hand around
there. Who knows how many people they will kill in accdents before someone
starts managing the herd.

Anyway, if you don't go there, they will be happy not to see you. Luckily,
the rest of Texas seems much friendlier.

Dude wrote:

The people at Lakeway have never really wanted anyone to come there
that
they did not know. Unfortunately, almost all the other airports
around have
been closed by the NIMBY's (Austin is famous for its idiot activist
population who think government can and should solve every complaint
and
inconvenience). Also, the dear thing is just getting out of hand
around
there. Who knows how many people they will kill in accdents before
someone
starts managing the herd.

Anyway, if you don't go there, they will be happy not to see you.
Luckily,
the rest of Texas seems much friendlier.

I've landed at Lakeway a couple times as a "transient", and stayed
overnight and nobody there ever copped a 'tude with me, in fact they
were quite friendly to me.

They do seem pretty adamant about the "no ops after sunset" thing.
Given the neighborhood surrounding the airport and steep approaches
over very expensive homes at both ends of the runway, I kinda
understand where they're coming from.

The deer are definitely a problem. The last time I landed there, one
darted out directly in front of me during rollout after touchdown... in
broad daylight. I almost had to veer completely off the runway into the
grass to avoid making a fresh batch of hairy venisonburger with the
prop but the deer turned and ran away at the last moment.

I just got finished a 777 Tokyo trip with the most meticulous, cautious
captain I've seen in years.

He and another American pilot recently got caught up in Lakeway's New
Millenium version of a rural southern speedtrap.

My guy landed in daylight, having been giving sightseeing rides to
residents. At about 100 feet on short final, he heard a voice saying
that the airport was closed.

The comment made no sense, and he landed.

Ten minutes or so later, as he walked to his car, a constable pulled up
and issued him a $ 1 , 2 0 0 "citation" for landing after sunset.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!


If they are going to be such dickheads about it, and there is no FBO there
anyway, why don't they just make it a private airport instead of public use
?

It's been a sort of recent development that everyone is landing there. I
may be misstating the case with my previous comment.

They will likely be friendly enough to you as a person, they just would
rather not have so much traffic. OTOH, I don't think they really want to
stop people from coming because there isn't much else for people to do but
go to AUS which is not really close to where many people are going.

It's like they want to be friendly and let everyone come, but they are
attracting so many people now that I think its wearing on them.

"Fox Hound" wrote in message
...
I just got finished a 777 Tokyo trip with the most meticulous, cautious
captain I've seen in years.

He and another American pilot recently got caught up in Lakeway's New
Millenium version of a rural southern speedtrap.

My guy landed in daylight, having been giving sightseeing rides to
residents. At about 100 feet on short final, he heard a voice saying
that the airport was closed.

The comment made no sense, and he landed.

Ten minutes or so later, as he walked to his car, a constable pulled up
and issued him a $ 1 , 2 0 0 "citation" for landing after sunset.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!


If they are going to be such dickheads about it, and there is no FBO there
anyway, why don't they just make it a private airport instead of public
use
?

In article ,
"Fox Hound" wrote:

I just got finished a 777 Tokyo trip with the most meticulous, cautious
captain I've seen in years.

He and another American pilot recently got caught up in Lakeway's New
Millenium version of a rural southern speedtrap.

My guy landed in daylight, having been giving sightseeing rides to
residents. At about 100 feet on short final, he heard a voice saying
that the airport was closed.

The comment made no sense, and he landed.

Ten minutes or so later, as he walked to his car, a constable pulled up
and issued him a $ 1 , 2 0 0 "citation" for landing after sunset.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!


If they are going to be such dickheads about it, and there is no FBO there
anyway, why don't they just make it a private airport instead of public use
?


About 20 years ago I was thinking of moving to Austin and checked out
Lakeway. The impression I got was that, if you weren't interested in
tennis, you weren't truly welcome there. Nobody wanted to talk about the
airport and its facilities, so I wrote the place off then and there.

I now live at Spruce Creek (FL) and love it!

I just got finished a 777 Tokyo trip with the most meticulous, cautious
captain I've seen in years.

He and another American pilot recently got caught up in Lakeway's New
Millenium version of a rural southern speedtrap.

My guy landed in daylight, having been giving sightseeing rides to
residents. At about 100 feet on short final, he heard a voice saying
that the airport was closed.

The comment made no sense, and he landed.

Ten minutes or so later, as he walked to his car, a constable pulled up
and issued him a $ 1 , 2 0 0 "citation" for landing after sunset.

Never mind the fact he'd been on the ground for some time: he had no
proof of actual landing time. It became obvious to him, as he
protested this injustice, that he'd uncovered a carefully planned
scheme to defraud hapless visitors to this community.

The general aviation community has no room for sleeze of this nature,
and its pilots need to be made aware that these types of miscreants
have somehow infiltrated our ranks.

Add Lakeway to Crawford as qualifying for the "black magic-marker
treatment" on your Texas sectionals!













Neal wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:00:02 GMT, "Ronnie D. Hughes"
wrote:


There is also Lakeway, forgot the ID, but I never go in there. Also
no
night ops, private lots around the runway, and higher priced real
estate
around. Typical house and hangar combos there are $500K and up.
Too rich for me. Rumor has it that the Lakeway police will
issue a citation ($250?) if you land or takeoff after sunset, but
before
dark.
They take their no nighttime ops rules seriously.

Lakeway is 3R9. I've been there a few times and they seem plenty
friendly to transient visitors. No hangar space but they'll lease you
outdoor tiedown space if you join the airport club and if there is
spaces available.

The no-night ops is pretty reasonable at this particular airport due
to the terrain and homes right next to, and at either end of the
runway. Fairly steep approaches are needed at either end of the
runway
(no "dragging it in low and slow" here or someone will need a new
roof
on their house) plus the large number of deer and other wildlife on
the runway could make it a rather dangerous place for night ops. I
nearly hit a deer on landing there myself.