Too many pilots in the cockpit spoil the landing...

It's a convention in some aircraft insurance policies, IIRC.

No doubt, but this wasn't an insurance company report.

The poster showed a common misperception that the left seat pilot is
automatically the PIC, since the report did not give any indication as
to who was PIC. I was just doing my part to dispel that notion. ;-)

Greg Esres wrote:

I keep hearing that story, but have yet to see an actual case where
that occurred. Do you have any references?

I get my info from the AOPA legal articles (written by John Yodice). Those
should be online, if you want to do the legwork. In one of the published cases,
the Feds went after a CFI who was in the back seat at the time of the incident.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

Ron Natalie wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...

The FAA has a long-standing practice of going after the pilot who has the most
advanced ratings.

Actually, the have a practice of going after the pilot who can most be harmed by
the enforcement action.

Same-same.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

Those should be online, if you want to do the legwork. In one of the
published cases, the Feds went after a CFI who was in the back seat at
the time of the incident.

The only case I can find is an *Inspector* who was the object of a
lawsuit, even though he was riding in the backseat. However, he was
giving instructions to the pilot, who was being evaluated, so there is
some legitimacy to the charge.

There are multiple other articles talking about "who was PIC", but
this riding in the backseat thing was never mentioned, even though it
would have been appropriate.

I suspect the concept of a CFI riding in the backset, minding his own
business, and being charged with a violation is an OWT.

Greg Esres wrote:

I suspect the concept of a CFI riding in the backset, minding his own
business, and being charged with a violation is an OWT.


I think you mean "urban legend", except I guess it would be a "air-ban
legend"



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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
--- Serenity Prayer

"Icebound" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
I suspect the concept of a CFI riding in the backset, minding his own
business, and being charged with a violation is an OWT.

I think you mean "urban legend"

What's the difference between an old wives' tale and an urban legend?

Ron Natalie wrote in message Actually, the have a practice of going after
the pilot who can most be harmed by the enforcement action.

Hmm... If the commercial pilot doesn't have his certficate in his personal
possession, he can't be PIC.

D. (what's a little air piracy amongst friends? :-))

Hmm... If the commercial pilot doesn't have his certficate in his personal
possession, he can't be PIC.

There's another thing to violate him on. He might also be drunk as a skunk,
passed out on the back seat while the less experienced pilot flying in the
front seat makes a mistake which would then be charged to the drunken sot in
the rear.

Jose
(I hope it doesn't =really= happen that way!)
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(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

I guess the safe thing would be to insure that if you're flying in a
friend's plane that he has a higher rating than you..G
An interesting thing happened at my home field S-44 last week. A chap a few
hangers up from me took out his pristine Luscombe out for some local flying.
A CFI from the local FBO comment he had no conventional gear time and was
invited to go along for a ride.

When landing to the South, there are some very tall trees which necessitates
a displaced threshold of 250 feet. Well coming down final, the pilot was too
low and the CFI passenger mentioned this a couple of times. He did not take
over the controls. The Luscombe was so low that you can see scrape marks on
the bottom of the cowl where he got the fence. The plane of course flipped &
was totally destroyed. The owner had some serious lacerations, the CFI
passenger scrapes and bruises.

So instead of an interesting ride, the CFI passenger might be facing a
career move.

Cheers:

Paul
NC2273H

Peter Duniho ) wrote:


"Icebound" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
I suspect the concept of a CFI riding in the backset, minding his own
business, and being charged with a violation is an OWT.

I think you mean "urban legend"

What's the difference between an old wives' tale and an urban legend?


Don't OWT's usually deal with quick, undocumented home remedies, such as:

"Put butter on a burn."

"To sell your house fast, bury a small statue of St. Joseph in the front
lawn."

"If a dog gets sprayed by a skunk, wash the dog in tomato juice."

etc...

At least that is what comes to my mind when I hear the phrase OWT.


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Peter












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