Aviation Story

I was seeing the kicker in a winter
survival suit in my mind's eye,

Weather was nice. Body harness was for the kicker's peace of mind; he wasn't
an aviation type (at first).

Practice proved useful: Milkshakes are a no-go but Colorado Kool-ade did okay.
And the flight crew should wear goggles. Ash tray emptied itself as soon as we
opened the door and thirty years of trash suddenly reappeared :-)

Only real problem was to get the burgers there while they were still warm.
Trick was to start packing enroute to Brown Field. Had plenty of volunteers.

On 25 Jan 2004 04:03:57 GMT, (Veeduber) wrote:

I was seeing the kicker in a winter
survival suit in my mind's eye,

Weather was nice. Body harness was for the kicker's peace of mind; he wasn't
an aviation type (at first).

Practice proved useful: Milkshakes are a no-go but Colorado Kool-ade did okay.
And the flight crew should wear goggles. Ash tray emptied itself as soon as we
opened the door and thirty years of trash suddenly reappeared :-)

Only real problem was to get the burgers there while they were still warm.
Trick was to start packing enroute to Brown Field. Had plenty of volunteers.


Yeah, I'll bet you did. Poor kicker, breathing all those asses and
dirt from 30 years of 1-g flying. Probably blinded himself before he
could see where to drop the Coors....I mean Colorado Kool-Aid.

How in the hell did you keep the burgers warm is what I want to know.
Yeah, packing from Brown was a good idea, but really....did they stay
warm or did you put them in some bleed air somewhere to keep em
toasty?

BWB

When I was in college I had a friend who's father, he told me, was in
the Army. He said his father had this tape of an incident that
occured at an airbase where there was an infamously nasty instructor.
The instructor apparently delighted in washing out cadets and
humiliating them. It got so bad that the rest of the instructors got
together and planned to teach him a lesson.

They told the cadets to duck out of the way when it was time to board
their trainers and the instructors would get in instead.

This particular flight was supposed to be formation training, so once
they took off, everyone was close at hand in formation.

My friend brought the tape to college to play for me because I
expressed great interest. What I heard next simply cannot be faked.

I heard routine but extremely sarcastic orders and remarks from the
instructor, then the instructor/cadets broke formation and went crazy
around this guy.

They, among other things, boxed him in left, right, vertically and
underneath, with the guy on top inverted. They broke off and barrel
rolled around him and buzzed the field en mass. The screaming coming
from the instructor has to be heard to be believed. At one point I
distinctly heard him, in this indescribably defeated voice, lamely
demanding for the field to shoot them down, all of them.

Like I said, there doesn't seem any way for this to be faked, there
was the sound of snarling engines in the background and this
instructors sounded absolutely hysterical at times as he vainly
attempted to control the airplanes around him.

This probably occured after WWII, perhaps some time in the 50's.

It would be neat to hear that tape again.

Corky Scott

instructors sounded absolutely hysterical at times as he vainly
attempted to control the airplanes around him.

This probably occured after WWII, perhaps some time in the 50's.

It would be neat to hear that tape again.

Corky Scott



Ahhhh nothing sooths my heart as much as seeing a royal a***hole get what he
deserves

take care

Blll

On 26 Jan 2004 15:45:04 GMT, (BllFs6) wrote:

instructors sounded absolutely hysterical at times as he vainly
attempted to control the airplanes around him.

This probably occured after WWII, perhaps some time in the 50's.

It would be neat to hear that tape again.

Corky Scott



Ahhhh nothing sooths my heart as much as seeing a royal a***hole get what he
deserves

take care

Blll

Yep. Many rotten assholes came home from Viet Nam in boxes, fragged
by their own men for being jerks.

I went to school with a kid who was nuts. This kid would mouth off to
the biggest guy on the playground and get his butt kicked. The kid
enjoyed it for some sick reason. One day while we were in the 4th
grade, this big kid beat him up so bad, his ears were bleeding from
their ear-canals. He mouthed off to the big kid again the next day
and the sequence went on. This guy killed cats and baby dogs. He was
just sick. One time at a halloween party we were dunking for apples.
After he finished, he snagged in the tub of floating apples so
everyone else had to dunk in his spit.

Later in life he finished college and went into the Army as a second
louie (1971). They shipped his ass off to Viet Nam in a month. One
month later he came home dead and he hadn't even been in a combat
zone. Somehow he fell out of a Huey on recon. Interesting eh?

This was the type of guy who'd love to be a cop so he could abuse
people. He was someone who you would never want to give a badge. I
suspect he had men under him at the time who hated him. If they
hadn't unhooked his umbilical cord (tether), they'd have fragged him
in his hooch one night while in-country. A lot more of that went on
than people might think. The assholes were taken out of the gene pool
real quick in-country.

Whomever pushed him did the world and his family a favor. He'd been
nothing but a problem for them his entire life. At 21 years old he
was history. Hell, they gave the family some metals, buried him under
an American flag that they folded up and gave to his mom. What more
could anyone want?

People (soldiers) were ****ed off over there because they didn't like
being there in a war against a people they didn't really hate. It
wasn't like Iraq where there was a clear mission to rid the world of a
tyrant who tortured people to death and killed his own people in mass.
The mission in Viet Nam wasn't clear to the average foot soldier (or
officer for that matter). So they were walking around sort of ****ed
off all the time because they were watching people get killed and they
were in danger themselves. This level of anxiety made for a situation
where people really didn't take much **** from anyone, officers or
other enlisted. If you got a new second louie with an attitude, he
either changed real quick or was removed from the gene pool, fragged
in some "event."

"Oh yes captain, we were all just sitting here in the jungle having a
smoke when an mortar came in from the gooks up on that ridge. Poor
old Jimmy here was at ground zero. What a shame!"

"Son, you are missing one of your grenades."

"Oh yes Sir, I lobbed it up at the gooks, but they got away. Damn,
Jimmy didn't have real good luck did he Sir?"

or, in this kid's case, maybe it went like this:

Warrant Officer-1 says to Captain:

"Yes Sir, we were on recon and going into this LZ for fuel. It wasn't
expected to be hot but it was. I dusted off. I cranked the Huey 90
degrees right to avoid fire while the grunts at the LZ took care of
Charlie. Jimmy must have been on the skid and not tied down. He
liked to ride like that Sir, out on the skid and not hooked in. He'd
take that M-60 out there with him sometimes and just shoot up the
natives. He said it made him feel like God Sir. I ordered him to hook
in when I caught him a few times but I see he didn't this time. We
did recover the M-60 when we nabbed him Sir, it wasn't a total loss.
And the gooks? Well, they just disappeared as fast as they were
there. Don't know where they came from Sir. The LZ has never been
hot like that before."

Captain: "Damn. Now I gotta write his parents a letter and I hate to
write. I'd rather be selling these rations to the villagers this
afternoon to strengthen up our booze fund. You remember we got a
party this weekend don't you? Will you guys be more careful from now
on? Ought to make you write the letter, Mr. WO-1. Now get out a here
before I article-15 your sorry ass."

WO-1, "Yeeaasssir! Will-do."



BWB

Hey Corky,

This could only be the tape I heard at WAL systems initial, where
after a complex days of chasing electrons on the MST (classroom
trainer), most of us in the class were losing faith in our ability to
understand Boeing electrical. The instructor detected this with
push-button polling and decided to give us a well-deserved break from
the material. He explained the instructor/student conspiracy, and
then hit the play button. Funniest damn set-up I've ever heard.
"NUMBER TWO! NUMBER TWO! LOOSEN UP… before ya kill us all! NO NO
NO YOU'RE GOING TO CASTRATE NUMBER THREE! BREAK OUT! BREAK OUT YOU
MORON! NO NO NO NOT THAT WAY! Goddamit, I didn't mean missing man
break! Christ sake we'll never make it back to base without killing
those poor ranchers down there…. Tower Wildcat 1 flight of six, ten
miles east please shoot the other five down! SHOOT THEM DOWN, I
SAY!"

Etc, etc.

or something like that... (been 22 years since I heard it)

After we stopped rolling on the ground for several minutes, Joe
Ward(our ground school instructor) explained that this tape was real
and that when the screamer instructor returned to base for debrief the
other instructors converged on him and told him his students were
really other instructors. Joe said: "After he got done listening to
them, he said he didn't believe them!"

pacplyer



(Corky Scott) wrote in message ...
When I was in college I had a friend who's father, he told me, was in
the Army. He said his father had this tape of an incident that
occured at an airbase where there was an infamously nasty instructor.
The instructor apparently delighted in washing out cadets and
humiliating them. It got so bad that the rest of the instructors got
together and planned to teach him a lesson.

They told the cadets to duck out of the way when it was time to board
their trainers and the instructors would get in instead.

This particular flight was supposed to be formation training, so once
they took off, everyone was close at hand in formation.

My friend brought the tape to college to play for me because I
expressed great interest. What I heard next simply cannot be faked.

I heard routine but extremely sarcastic orders and remarks from the
instructor, then the instructor/cadets broke formation and went crazy
around this guy.

They, among other things, boxed him in left, right, vertically and
underneath, with the guy on top inverted. They broke off and barrel
rolled around him and buzzed the field en mass. The screaming coming
from the instructor has to be heard to be believed. At one point I
distinctly heard him, in this indescribably defeated voice, lamely
demanding for the field to shoot them down, all of them.

Like I said, there doesn't seem any way for this to be faked, there
was the sound of snarling engines in the background and this
instructors sounded absolutely hysterical at times as he vainly
attempted to control the airplanes around him.

This probably occured after WWII, perhaps some time in the 50's.

It would be neat to hear that tape again.

Corky Scott

When I was in college I had a friend who's father, he told me, was in
the Army. He said his father had this tape of an incident that
occured at an airbase where there was an infamously nasty instructor.
The instructor apparently delighted in washing out cadets and
humiliating them. It got so bad that the rest of the instructors got
together and planned to teach him a lesson.

Not saying it *didn't* happen, but this is similar, again, to an incident
in one of Dan Gallery's novels. It might be that Gallery heard the story
and fictionalized it, much as he did the one about shining the light at the
train.

Ron Wanttaja

As Ron said, this is something that Gallery wrote about in the early 50's,
and it was supposed to have happened in the late 30's or VERY early 40's. A
later version of this by another writer (mid 60's) puts the event in the
late 50's early 60's. Gallery was diffinately in print with it in the early
50's though. The program manager on one of my contracts heard the story in
flight training (minus the audio recording) in 1943, and it was supposed to
have happened a "few" years before he heard it. He started as an F6F
driver, did the F4U thing, and finally the A-1, before leaving flight
status.

Because Pete heard it in 1943 I have to believe it was probably a late 30's
thing, wasn't that about the time that advanced trainers got radios? Prior
to that and there would have been no radio for the ground folks to listen in
/ record.

I have, at one time or another heard two different versions, or portions of
them, on tape. The only problem I have with all of this is.....in the late
30's what kind of audio recordings did they do? And would a training field
actually have the ability to record audio from the radio as a matter of
course? Even in the early/mid 40's (timing it with the end of the period in
Gallery's writing) it would have been a wire recording, yes? The ones I
heard did not originate from a wire, the quality was definately tape.

My personal opinion is it never happened, but a couple different people got
ahold of the story and made the tape.

There was a thread in rec.avaition.military about 6 or 7 years ago about
this, but I can not find it with a Google search now, can't seem to narrow
the search enough.

T!

A
later version of this by another writer (mid 60's) puts the event in the
late 50's early 60's.

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After returning from WesPac aboard the Hornet in the late 1950's, probably '57
or '58 (can't remember ****) I was transferred from VF-94 to NAS Alameda. The
guys at the Link trainer facility had a whole library of similar recordings,
some on phonograph records, some on tape, a lot of which they MADE THEMSELVES,
complete with engine sounds. Their building had two storys, trainers on the
ground floor, classrooms above. They had one of the classrooms fitted out as a
recording studio for making new sound tracks for WWII training films.

Some of the cuts I heard were hilarious. I was told that most were based on
real incidents but all of the ones I heard were dramatizations rather than
actual recordings. Which isn't to say real recordings did not exist, but...

-R.S.Hoover

What is the difference between a fairy tale and a sea story?

A fairy tail always starts "Once upon a time"

A sea story always starts with "No ****...this really happened!"

Errol Groff
EAA 60159




On 24 Jan 2004 23:39:01 GMT, (Veeduber) wrote:

Prior to departing for Vietnam a shipmate had to go through the E&E course they
were running south of Warner Springs in the hills behind Sandy Eggo.

Second night of the course, when everyone had been without food for 24 hours
and the instructors were just about to round them all up and begin their
bull**** 'interrogations' an idiot driving C-120 made a low pass over a
particular place and kicked out a seabag filled with Big Macs & fries.

Or so I heard :-)

-R.S.Hoover

PS -- The trick is not to pack them too tightly. Duct tape the burgers & fries
in individual packs wrapped with foam or whatever then pack them into a nylon
net laundry bag, but not too tightly, then put the laundry bag int othe seabag
with lots of crushables around it and on either end.

Takes two to tango -- pilot & a kicker. And it helps if you pull the pax-side
seat.

I understand you should make the drop just as you add power and be ready for
the yaw when the kicker forces the door outboard. You might want to practice
this a few times. Just above a stall, wheels in the weeds, the groceries are
still going to travel about a hundred feet before they hit the ground. I
understand the glider strip at Otay Lakes is good spot for that sort of
practice. Also a handy spot to leave the seat, dress the kicker in a body
harness, etc.

Or was. 1969 or thereabouts. Probably just another of those sea-stories you
hear.