Is the DC ADIZ on the charts?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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AeroPlanner's online charts show it.

Another *private* organization providing an unofficial chart. Can you
imagine the reaction of the FAA/USSS/other agency interregators when you try
to use the AeroPlanner chart to prove that you were, in fact, outside the
ADIZ?

This situation is like the small town that refuses to post speed limit signs
then locks up those who speed down the street.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

It doesn't matter if a "depiction" can be found on the web. It probably
carries a "NOT FOR NAVIGATIONAL USE" notice.
If I am at an airport preparing for a flight through that airspace, I
most likely do not have access to a computer with a color printer that
is capable of accurately reproducing the chart to scale so that it can
be used for navigational purposes.
If I call Flight Service on the telephone, I will be read the NOTAM
text, not an accurate pictoral depiction.
If I have received the briefing from the FSS specialist, it is
considered that I am fully informed, when in fact I have only a fuzzy
notion of the actual boundaries.
Also consider that because of the irregularity of the airspace
boundaries, I may be able to "draw" the boundaries, given lat/lon
coordinates to create waypoints, on my VFR only, handheld GPS. Is this
acceptable for navigation? Maybe
Does the FAA consider this "official"? Probably not.
So, if they are not willing to chart the boundaries on the offical,
government produced charts, issued every six months, how are we
expected to know, in the cockpit, flying along looking for ground
references, where the boundaries are?

Perhaps this whole thread should be sent to the FAA/TSA. It might* open
someone's eyes.

*doubtful

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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"Peter R." wrote in message
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Ron Natalie ) wrote:

That's NO depiction of the ADIZ at all.

Ah, fercrinoutloud. I'll just be crawling back into my hole now.

--
Peter


Good grief, locals can't even figure it out. As chopped up as the airspace
is out east what chance do transients have.

"Kevin McCue" wrote in message


Perhaps this whole thread should be sent to the FAA/TSA. It
might* open someone's eyes.

I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

They assured us that the bureaucratic security agencies running the show are
aware of the issues we raised, but are not interested in solving them.

I don't envy the job of the security folks. They are truly in a "damned if
you do, damned if you don't" situation, but I'm beginning to question
whether anybody has the patience it seems to require to resolve this
situation.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

"John T" wrote in message ws.com...


I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

Yes, conspicuosly absent was anybody from the security agencies.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"Snowbird" wrote in message om...
from AVWeb:
"Frankly, we're a bit frustrated that pilots are still violating it,
and we don't know why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb
yesterday. "It's on the charts, it's on our Web site."

*Is* the DC ADIZ on the charts?

No, the ADIZ is NOT charted.

That's what I thought.

I wonder if someone could obtain contact information for the
FAA's William Shumann, so that concerned pilots could write
him a brief note correcting his misapprehension, and suggesting
that if the DC ADIZ were charted -- not on a computer which
might or might not be available to a pilot heading that way,
on a CHART -- it is possible that it might be of assistance
to pilots wishing to avoid it.

I think I'll write AVweb and suggest this, but if anyone
else knows how to dig out FAA contact info, please share.

I agree with you that it's absolute BS that NACO hasn't
added it to the charts.

Cheers,
Sydney

"John T" wrote in message ews.com...

I was in the same meeting with Ron when he was discussing the lack of
charting. All of this was mentioned then - not very lightly, I might add -
with reps from NACO, FSDO and ATC. They are fully aware of the frustration
we pilots are feeling, but the minions we had by the scruff of the neck are
powerless bureaucrats.

John,

Are you saying NACO does not have the authority to depict the
DC ADIZ on the sectional charts or to include the NOTAMs in the
AF/D?

If NACO does not have the authority, who does?

Are you saying the security agencies are preventing NACO from
depicting the ADIZ on the charts?

Thanks,
Sydney

Dave Stadt wrote:

Good grief, locals can't even figure it out. As chopped up as the airspace
is out east what chance do transients have.

Oh, we have an excellent chance at it. Just go around the entire class-B, and
you'll be safe. If you don't run into some other TFR.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.

"Snowbird" wrote in message
om...
Are you saying the security agencies are preventing NACO from
depicting the ADIZ on the charts?

Of course they are. If the ADIZ were depicted, then all a terrorist would
have to do to find airspace where they could terrorize someone is look at
the Washington sectional. You don't want things to be that easy for them,
do you?

It's the same brilliant strategizing that the TSA used when they realized it
just wouldn't do to publish the actual locations of the nuclear power plants
we were supposed to avoid.

Pete