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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: : Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures. : :Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks :every day, I need some advice on how to proceed: : :1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from :several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N" :numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems :bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show ff" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a :couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what :do you folks think? Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers, that's different and you should turn them down. : :2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, :but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? :Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails. : :3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far -- :but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of articipants? If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley period net. |
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We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number, serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being overly cautious, yes. You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person who has actually suffered from "identity theft". As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address (well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide behind a phony name. I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product, and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On 12/12/03 11:47 AM, in article "Jay Honeck"
wrote: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures. Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks every day, I need some advice on how to proceed: OK..thanks for asking. 1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N" numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show off" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what do you folks think? I vote no. If they don't want people knowing who, where, and what they are, why are they sending you photos? Do they really own/fly the plane? 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? OK for me now, but I have cable. 3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far -- but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of participants? Normally, I'd repeat my answer to #1 but, with all of the e-mail harvesting/spamming. I'd say only if people want you too and won't complain if they get spammed as a result. Thanks for your help! You're very welcome. It's a great page! Al 1964 Skyhawk 3082U alcessnapilot at comcast.net |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02... [...] I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Are you suggesting identity theft is not an issue at all? It certainly is a very real crime, and it is happening more and more. It comes in a variety of manifestations and, in answer to your question, I do personally know of a real person (more than one, actually) who was a victim of identity theft. Are you asking what the prevalence of identity theft is, and/or arguing that the credit card companies are playing up the incidence? The answer to the former is hard to quantify, since many different forms of fraud and other crimes can be considered identity theft, and because there's no well-defined reporting mechanism. One FTC-sponsored survey suggests that there may be as many as 10 million Americans each year affected by identity theft, and that as many as a third of those involved the use of their personal information in the commission of a fraud: http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/09/synovatereport.pdf I *do* think it's funny that you would suggest that the advertising community would be playing *up* the threat. Credit card companies have been notoriously reticent to release figures regarding consumer fraud, including identity theft, out of a concern that people will start thinking that credit cards are unreliable. The thought that identity theft is simply an invention created to sell more product is laughable. Yes, a new business arena has been discovered, and yes several companies have jumped on that bandwagon. But they are no worse than the burglar alarm companies who use scare tactics to frighten you into buying their products. The crime is real. Pete |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course, cooperated. As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in their possession. They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall. (Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification. This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in verification, and the card was issued.) They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the whole mess cleaned up. So, yes, I know someone. Me. Ben Sego |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I just have to wonder if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us something? Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate? Yes. Over 10 years ago, I received a call from the Secret Service asking if I would be willing to help prosecute someone who had multiple credit cards in my name and that of many other people. I, of course, cooperated. As it happens, they had caught the guys before much had been purchased on the credit card numbers, and while the physical cards were still in their possession. They (the bad guys) had obtained identifying information by picking the utterly ineffective lock on postal clusterboxes at various apartment complexes in Dallas. They were caught, the agent told me, due to an unusual number of new telephone line installation requests that were made to an apartment. The complex owner got suspicious, and called the local cops. The local cops figured it was a numbers operation, and called in the Feds. The FBI handed it to Treasury after observing an unsually high volume of what appeared to be credit card statements going to the same address. Phone record analysis gave them enough along with every thing else gave them enough to get a search warrant, as I recall. (Lots of calls from credit card companies calling for verification. This was apparently necessary because they were asking for cards at an address for which there was no other sustantiating information; they claimed a new move. CC company called "employer" to verify. Each phone represented a different fake employer, for whom they (the bad guys) had a list of "employees." They gave the CC company the new address in verification, and the card was issued.) They had so much evidence that I never had to testify. They (the Secret Service) also worked directly with the credit card companies to get the whole mess cleaned up. So, yes, I know someone. Me. Ben Sego |
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Hi Jay
1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? No. To me the main point of interest is that through these groups I know the people posting. If they are anonymous, then what is the point? No problem if they don't want their home base publicised though. 2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page, but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you? Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow? Runs great for me, although I do have high speed cable access. 3. Should I include email addresses? Up to the individual. I don't mind, because the email address that I use in the rec groups is a hotmail one, used especially for the rec groups. I wouldn't use my primary address as I like to keep it spam free. -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Almost Instrument Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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I *do* think it's funny that you would suggest that the advertising
community would be playing *up* the threat. Credit card companies have been notoriously reticent to release figures regarding consumer fraud, including identity theft, out of a concern that people will start thinking that credit cards are unreliable. This is a complete joke, Pete. I can tell you, as a retailer, that it is WE who are left holding the bag when it comes to credit card fraud -- not the consumer. In fact, the consumer is so "protected" as to be almost immune from loss. We have been stiffed twice in our first 15 months, to the tune of over $1500, by people who ran their bill way up, went home, and claimed that their cards were "stolen". We did everything PRECISELY as the credit card companies told us to, but were stuck eating the loss anyway. The only people who should be questioning the reliability of credit cards are the retailers. Unfortunately, the cards are so ubiquitous that there is no way we could live with out them -- and the credit card companies smugly know it. Thus, there is NO effective pressure on them to squash fraud. :-( -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:0fvCb.330362$Dw6.1109340@attbi_s02... This is a complete joke, Pete. I can tell you, as a retailer, that it is WE who are left holding the bag when it comes to credit card fraud -- not the consumer. In fact, the consumer is so "protected" as to be almost immune from loss. What is a complete joke? You obviously have no clue what the simplest forms of identity theft can do to a person's life, never mind the most extreme kinds. You think that because you are a retailer, that you see the extent of the result of identity theft. But you obviously don't. The cost of goods obtained through identity theft is the least of anyone's problems (except perhaps yours). Much more significant are the years a person has to invest recovering from the crime. Identity theft isn't just someone using someone else's credit card. Yes, that is ONE form of it. But the greater issue are criminals who create entire fictional versions of real-life people, and then who proceed to commit all manner of fraud under the name of those real-life people. The credit card companies are terrible at providing assistance to victims with respect to clearing up the bad credit records created as a result, and in some cases are counter-productive. We have been stiffed twice in our first 15 months, to the tune of over $1500, by people who ran their bill way up, went home, and claimed that their cards were "stolen". We did everything PRECISELY as the credit card companies told us to, but were stuck eating the loss anyway. So? That somehow proves that identity theft is not a problem? The only people who should be questioning the reliability of credit cards are the retailers. Unfortunately, the cards are so ubiquitous that there is no way we could live with out them -- and the credit card companies smugly know it. Again, credit cards are simply one facet of the overall problem of identity theft. Thus, there is NO effective pressure on them to squash fraud. :-( Maybe some of you retailers (who certainly have way more collective clout than the individual consumer does) should get off your butts and get the FTC to do something about the credit card monopolies that allow the credit companies to force retailers to take the brunt of the direct cost of credit card fraud. In any case, that particular situation has little to do with the overall threat of identity theft. I still don't understand your apparent unwillingness to believe that it's a genuine problem. Pete |
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