When is just clicking PTT an acknowledgement?

And, if you are in a crowded area, your "double-click" would probably "step
on" someone else's communication. If an acknowledgement is not required, it
would seem the best practice would be not to acknowledge, especially in
congested airspace...

"Blanche" wrote in message
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Unfortunately when there are numerous aircraft in the vicinity, how is
the controller going to know which aircraft double-clicked and which
clicked by accident?

Bill Denton ) wrote:

And, if you are in a crowded area, your "double-click" would probably "step
on" someone else's communication. If an acknowledgement is not required, it
would seem the best practice would be not to acknowledge, especially in
congested airspace...

And once again we see that one procedure does not fit all situations.

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Yeppers on this one!!! Me too....

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Nathan Young ) wrote:

Ie taxi instructions, hold-short, etc.

Really? Every towered airport (mostly in the Northeast US) in which I have
flown states in the ATIS "readback of all hold-short instructions
required." Additionally, I often hear the ground controller repeating a
hold short instruction and requiring the readback be verbatim.

I cannot imagine a ground controller allowing someone to double-click a
response to a hold short instruction.

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Peter R. wrote in message ...
Nathan Young ) wrote:

Ie taxi instructions, hold-short, etc.

Really? Every towered airport (mostly in the Northeast US) in which I have
flown states in the ATIS "readback of all hold-short instructions
required." Additionally, I often hear the ground controller repeating a
hold short instruction and requiring the readback be verbatim.

I cannot imagine a ground controller allowing someone to double-click a
response to a hold short instruction.

Well, you cut the Roger/Wilco part of my post out in the response, so
it is a bit out of context. Most controllers aren't going to let a
double-click stand as a readback, but Roger/Wilcos are common.
However poor the practice - it happens regularly, particularly on
ground frequencies at Class D or Cs when they are not busy.

It also happens a lot by IFR pilots who do not seem to be on top of
their game -last weekend I heard a Mooney pilot who was just picking
up an IFR to get into Palwaukee. During the 15 minutes I was on his
frequencies, I heard him misread a clearance twice (leaving out final
destination). It was not caught/corrected by either controller, and
caused some minor headaches for the next controller in line.

-Nathan

Nathan Young wrote:

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:KBvDb.553661$HS4.4223865@attbi_s01...

Somewhere I read that you should NOT acknowledge transmissions by just
pressing PTT briefly. Now, I had never heard that before, nor done it,
but since then I think I've heard it happen.

Can someone who is familiar with this explain the PTT-ack customs so I
know how to interpret it?


A lot of pilots use the double-click of the PTT as an acknowledgement
to a transmission that didn't need to be acknowledged. It is
primarily used as a courtesy to the controller to let them know that
you heard their last transmission - even if a reply wasn't required.

An example: Leaving Class D airspace.
Cherokee 62R: Tower, Cherokee 62R is clear to the North, have a good
afternoon.
Tower: 62R, freq change approved, have a good afternoon too.
Cherokee 62R: key the mike twice.

The key is (pun intended) - there are not many situations where the
double-click is acceptable. Unfortunately, many pilots key the mike
(or use Roger/Wilco), when a proper reply was required. Ie taxi
instructions, hold-short, etc.

Also, at uncontrolled airports to acknowledge friendly chit-chat on the
frequency. I know, it's not supposed to happen but it does

pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: yeah it is, hey jeff
pilot 2: great day to fly, huh?
pilot 1: double click

It's a good way to end those conversations with reasonable brevity and
politeness

xyzzy wrote:

Nathan Young wrote:

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:KBvDb.553661$HS4.4223865@attbi_s01...

Somewhere I read that you should NOT acknowledge transmissions by just
pressing PTT briefly. Now, I had never heard that before, nor done it,
but since then I think I've heard it happen.

Can someone who is familiar with this explain the PTT-ack customs so I
know how to interpret it?


A lot of pilots use the double-click of the PTT as an acknowledgement
to a transmission that didn't need to be acknowledged. It is
primarily used as a courtesy to the controller to let them know that
you heard their last transmission - even if a reply wasn't required.

An example: Leaving Class D airspace.
Cherokee 62R: Tower, Cherokee 62R is clear to the North, have a good
afternoon.
Tower: 62R, freq change approved, have a good afternoon too.
Cherokee 62R: key the mike twice.

The key is (pun intended) - there are not many situations where the
double-click is acceptable. Unfortunately, many pilots key the mike
(or use Roger/Wilco), when a proper reply was required. Ie taxi
instructions, hold-short, etc.

Also, at uncontrolled airports to acknowledge friendly chit-chat on the
frequency. I know, it's not supposed to happen but it does

pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: yeah it is, hey jeff
pilot 2: great day to fly, huh?
pilot 1: double click

It's a good way to end those conversations with reasonable brevity and
politeness

Better:
pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: double click
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Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.

Better:
pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: double click

Best use 122.75
this is the designated frequency for pilot to pilot.
Hank

"alexy" wrote in message
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Better:
pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: double click

Or even better:

pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: transmits no social chit-chat on a traffic frequency

(Ignoring of course that even the transmission from "pilot 1" leaves a lot
to be desired)

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

"alexy" wrote in message
...

Better:
pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: Joe is that you?
pilot 1: double click


Or even better:

pilot 1: cessna xyz leaving 5 miles out
pilot 2: transmits no social chit-chat on a traffic frequency

(Ignoring of course that even the transmission from "pilot 1" leaves a lot
to be desired)



True, but in the real world where I fly this kind of stuff is always
going on on the frequencies. So the double click is a polite way to
end it quickly.