Officials say al-Qaida operatives may be fully trained airline pilots

in article , Rob Perkins at
wrote on 12/23/03 7:08 PM:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:26:09 -0800, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Rich Raine wrote:

I just don't think that will happen.

You haven't known any fundamentalist plug in your favorite religion here. I
have.
They'll do that in a heartbeat.

The only recent "fundamentalist" movements I can think of (and I'm
thinking of the past several hundred to thousand years) that has shown
it is capable of mass murder/suicide have been certain strains of
radical Islam.

Jonestown?

Historically- The Nazi's claimed to have God on their side as they killed
millions of Jews.
The Spanish Inquisition
Then various Crusades
Numerous campaigns against the "heathen" indians

These all were couched or claimed right based on the
Christian religion in at least some respect. There are many others involving
other religions (Shinto/Samuri) etc. Anytime someone places their beliefs as
more correct than anothers there is the possibility. My step father always
said, "Your rights end where the next person's begin." Makes alot of sense.

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.


That's not the way it happens.

The way it happens is that some guy decides to make sombody living in a cave
(or dying on a cross) happy. They then train for the mission, put up with a
"great lifestyle", and finally give their life to God.

I'm sure it's in progress.

Jose

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I wonder who will be the first to suggest eliminating pilots all
together for airlines. It has already been suggested for fighters.
Or maybe the remote control suggestion will pop up again.
Brings new questions to guns in the cockpit now.

My opinion. Whatever these religious wack jobs can cook up, we can
overcome. Maybe special ports of entry and procedures for airliners
from certain countries, or foreign airlines must have approved pilots
on their flights into the US if the threat is deemed realistic.
These chumps days are numbered, and they know it.

On 24 Dec 2003 02:49:14 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:


I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.


That's not the way it happens.

The way it happens is that some guy decides to make sombody living in a cave
(or dying on a cross) happy. They then train for the mission, put up with a
"great lifestyle", and finally give their life to God.

I'm sure it's in progress.

Jose

(Teacherjh) wrote in message ...

The way it happens is that some guy decides to make sombody living in a cave
(or dying on a cross) happy.

That was a Cheap Shot (caps intentional). Name the last suicide
terrorist - one who deliberately kills large numbers of innocents
along with himself - who was motivated by any variety of
even-close-to-mainstream Christianity. Jim Jones and David Koresh
don't count - their followers numbered in the dozens-to-hundreds, not
the hundreds-of-thousands-to-millions that support radical Islam.
Christianity still produces martyrs - check what's going on in China
and Sudan - but those folks are being *killed by* non-Christians.


They then train for the mission, put up with a
"great lifestyle", and finally give their life to God.

True enough. The 9/11 killers lived in the US for several years,
living (but presumably not enjoying) a nearly-typical suburban
lifestyle.

3 years ago we didn't believe someone would hijack an airliner and fly
it into the WTC. Ttuth is stranger than fiction.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



"Rich Raine" wrote in message ...
I can't believe someone would train to get licensed, get a job on the
majors, have a great income, and style of life, and then would throw it all
away to make some guy living in a cave happy by participating in a suicide
attack. I just don't think that will happen.

Rich Raine

www.eraine.com


"Jim Buckridge" wrote in message
om...
Mutts wrote in message
. ..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.

Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient. They'll wait the X years it takes get
someone to get properly trained to fly a large passenger jet. Maybe
he's your CFI now. Or working at your FBO, building hours here in the
US so that he can become a pilot either here or abroad. How many
years passed between the first attempt WTC bombing and 9/11? I think
it was eight years. How long does it take someone to go from the $50
discovery flight to PIC of a passenger jet flying for Mid Eastern
airline?

(Jim Buckridge) wrote in message . com...
Mutts wrote in message . ..
Suprise suprise surpise. That was the first thing I said when the
new
security measures were put into place. If the pilot (and maybe
they'll need to copilot to be in on it too) are IN THE COCKPIT it
doesn't matter what security measures are in place. These terrorist
organizations are patient.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/newstmpl...d=519&ncid=716
It says here that they are putting anti-aircraft guns around New York,
Washington, and other places. It don't think they care if its the
pilots or not!

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:16:56 -0800, Mutts wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden’s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.


This was my favorite quote, from CNN:

"Ironically, reinforced cockpit doors now installed on many airliners
would serve to protect a pilot-terrorist from passenger intervention."

The question is whether the pax would ever be aware of the impending
disaster. Looking out the window, gee, we seem to be a little low....
Not likely the guy is gonna make an announcement and have the folks
in back alert the media - and the USAF...

Background checks on foreign pilots, anyone? BTW - I highly recommend
Lou Martin's book "Wings Over Persia" - google the title. It's a
memoir of his years flying for the Shah of Iran just before the
Revolution. Interesting insights into Middle Eastern (though not
Arab) mind and culture.


(Ross Oliver) wrote in message ...
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:16:56 -0800, Mutts wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3775771/

Authorities raised the terrorist threat assessment over the weekend
after new intelligence indicated that operatives of Osama bin Laden?s
al-Qaida terror network, possibly trained and licensed to fly
passenger jets, may now be pilots for some foreign airlines, ideally
positioning them to carry out suicide attacks, U.S. officials told NBC
News on Monday.


This was my favorite quote, from CNN:

"Ironically, reinforced cockpit doors now installed on many airliners
would serve to protect a pilot-terrorist from passenger intervention."

"Ross Oliver" wrote in message ...


"Ironically, reinforced cockpit doors now installed on many airliners
would serve to protect a pilot-terrorist from passenger intervention."

Obviously time to implement Archie Bunker's anti-hijacking scheme.
Give out guns to all the passengers. With that many people packing
nobody would try anything.